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    1. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn 13 Nov 2017

      Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩) Retweeted

      No. In fact we're actually realizing the way we used to ship code was egregiously slow, inaccessible, and no interoperable. Welcome to front end _Engineering_. https://twitter.com/ben_howdle/status/930012526628110337 …

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      13 replies 74 retweets 377 likes
    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 13 Nov 2017
      Replying to @TheLarkInn

      Basically "maybe you're overthinking front-end" is just another way of saying that front-end isn't "serious programming". In no other part of software development do people start sneering that a few dozen k of library code and a compiler is overengineering.

      14 replies 114 retweets 379 likes
    3. Dan Bucholtz‏ @danbucholtz 14 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn

      Agreed. My opinion is it is considered too complicated because there’s not “one true way”. Imagine Android without a proper SDK, testing support, etc. If it all relied on 3rd parties, it’d feel the same as the web

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Nov 2017
      Replying to @danbucholtz @TheLarkInn

      But the fact that nobody goes around making people feel guilty for using libraries in Android makes a difference.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. Dan Bucholtz‏ @danbucholtz 14 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @TheLarkInn

      No disagreement there. It's just so weird to me that there is no "here's how you build an app, here's how you test code, etc" from the big players.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Joseph Dylan Stewart‏ @jdylanstewart 14 Nov 2017
      Replying to @danbucholtz @wycats @TheLarkInn

      What you're asking for is convention over configuration. Which is what we have with things like Django, rails, etc.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Dan Bucholtz‏ @danbucholtz 14 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jdylanstewart @wycats @TheLarkInn

      By a major company, yes.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 15 Nov 2017
      Replying to @danbucholtz @jdylanstewart @TheLarkInn

      Why does it need to be by a major company? We have stuff like Angular, Polymer, React. I'm happy stuff like Ember exists despite not being by a bigco.

      7:14 AM - 15 Nov 2017
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        2. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @danbucholtz @jdylanstewart

          Not to mention vital tooling and infrastructure like babel webpack lodash, blah blah, and fire catching like vue.

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @TheLarkInn @wycats and

          Not sure Babel's the best example for you here - the (heroic) maintainers are chronically under-funded and overworked. Its one of the best examples of why I think the OSS model is so profoundly broken and un-maintainable.

          2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @AdamRackis @wycats and

          They are just getting started. Funding and partnerships and relationships take time. @left_pad drove babel to a better position then it could ever be to continue to drive change and support for babel.

          3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @TheLarkInn @AdamRackis and

          And in the current broken system and old age where Bazar and legacy OSS support practice break down, the bottom line is: if you want your project funded, it's a shit ton of work.

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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        2. Dan Bucholtz‏ @danbucholtz 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @jdylanstewart @TheLarkInn

          The web is so disjointed. I just look at .Net desktop, iOS cocoa touch or Android dev and it's so much more cohesive of an end-to-end developer experience.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @danbucholtz @jdylanstewart @TheLarkInn

          It's also much, much bigger and covers a much broader set of use cases and environments. Oh, and deprecations don't work that well on the web ;)

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @danbucholtz and

          That's only part of it. Having a rich corporation own the end-to-end experience makes so much difference. The web doesn't even have a word in its vocabulary to describe the stability I enjoyed in my .net days.

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @AdamRackis @wycats and

          I'm so sick of the web's lack of stability that honestly having Facebook own React is a huge selling point for me.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @AdamRackis @danbucholtz and

          If only Facebook owning React actually resulted in what you want. Instead, React is less stable than .net and the biggest new tool Facebook wrote advertises the ability to "eject" as a main selling point. Postgres has had a much better run than almost any DB, by analogy.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @danbucholtz and

          Don't conflate "stability" with "I don't have to learn new things." By stability I mean it works, isn't buggy, etc.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @AdamRackis @danbucholtz and

          I definitely don't mean the latter :) In order to get this kind of stability, a project needs to be serious about owning the primary end to end experience, and "eject" is very corrosive to this goal.

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        9. Richard Torruellas‏ @richardiii 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @AdamRackis and

          I think them owning a lot of the top api stack CRA runs on is enough. I see eject as a blessing not a curse, and that mostly due to the support the community has around the chosen stack.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Dan Bucholtz‏ @danbucholtz 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @jdylanstewart @TheLarkInn

          The reason for a major company is so that it's well supported and an easy-to-make fiducially responsible decision when choosing a toolkit.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @danbucholtz @jdylanstewart @TheLarkInn

          I think that's an error. Ember, which isn't created by a single company, has remained extremely stable and well-supported during the same time that some toolkits by big companies got total rewrites. Using software built by a broader coalition is more responsible imo. 😃

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @danbucholtz @jdylanstewart

          Exactly. What businesses incentive do we have at webpack. None. So far its been a good model ;)

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Joseph Dylan Stewart‏ @jdylanstewart 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @danbucholtz @TheLarkInn

          We're got CRA too, which is pretty close.

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