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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Nov 2017

      Front end software development is: - real-time (instant load, 60fps) - distributed, incremental (synchronize remote data as needed) - asynchronous - reactive (react to user actions in realtime) Front end is the hardest kind of dev I do. The folks who do it every day are heroes.

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    2. Raaj Baskaran‏ @raajbas 14 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      Front end dev is important, and could be difficult. You’re taking liberties to define what front end dev really means. Creating a front end development framework that does all the things it is supposed to (mentioned in tweet) does not count as front end work.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Nov 2017
      Replying to @raajbas

      I work on apps. And I'm talking about that work, not my work building Glimmer.

      8:40 AM - 14 Nov 2017
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        2. Raaj Baskaran‏ @raajbas 14 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          Even then, the skills required to accomplish what you mentioned in your tweet is not frontend development. Let’s not redefine frontend dev to mean something it doesn’t. I get what you’re trying to say.

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        3. Len XS Max‏ @ignu 14 Nov 2017
          Replying to @raajbas @wycats

          ..that is what frontend dev is more often than not. (i also shake my head when "frontend dev" is seen as lesser than backend.) frontend *can* mean "i kinda' know css" but it usually means having an intimate knowledge of a thousand npm packages and creating absurdly complex apps

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        4. Raaj Baskaran‏ @raajbas 14 Nov 2017
          Replying to @ignu @wycats

          Sure, we can go on and on about what things should be. But knowing CSS, HTML, design and being able to produce deliverables is what fronted dev *is* you can argue that it needs to be a certain way. But you’re just increasing the barrier for entry.

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        5. CoryArmbrecht‏ @CoryArmbrecht 14 Nov 2017
          Replying to @raajbas @ignu @wycats

          You're missing the biggest part: Javascript. You're just pointing at css, html, and design- that sounds more like a web *designer*. I don't know what deliverables are being produced without JS; besides static markup/design, not much.

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        6. Raaj Baskaran‏ @raajbas 14 Nov 2017
          Replying to @CoryArmbrecht @ignu @wycats

          You’re right. I forgot to mention Javascript. I still standby what I said.

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        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 15 Nov 2017
          Replying to @raajbas @CoryArmbrecht @ignu

          Most good production apps require basically all of the things in my original tweet. We just don't always think about them. Imagine a production web app that booted in 45s. Or failed to save things correctly. Or showed you the wrong data. When it happens it's a big fail.

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        8. Gert Sønderby‏ @gsonderby 15 Nov 2017
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          Front-end : back-end :: Ginger Rogers : Fred Astaire. Needs to do the same difficult things, except backwards and in heels.

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