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    1. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      It would literally be a one-liner in Rust so there's no need for it ;) targeting software that can't yet integrate Rust into their toolchain

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    2. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @zofrex @wycats

      (Which btw if you want to talk about OS distribution is basically "everything that targets any Linux or BSD" but that's another rant)

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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @zofrex

      .c and .h is a good enough packaging then, yes.

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    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @zofrex

      Are you just saying Rust can't target FreeBSD?

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    5. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      It can in the relatively trivial sense of compiling and running, but try getting a Rust library into ports / apt / yum / etc

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @zofrex

      I think that's because of legacy bureaucracy rather than real technical limitations. I'm not saying it's not needed at all, but rather ...

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @zofrex

      that some crufty ideology around what qualifies as a "well behaved package" is in need of some review.

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    8. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      Perhaps. I think dynamic linking still has its place... It's nice to not recompile the world for the weekly curl CVE!

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    9. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @zofrex @wycats

      But regardless of whether the current state of OS packaging is optimal or even correct, Rust did not target how they actually work

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    10. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @zofrex @wycats

      That's the social equivalent of targeting a different architecture and asking them to change it

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @zofrex

      It seems inappropriate to call a programming language unacceptable until it's willing to commit to a stable dynlinkable ABI.

      10:39 AM - 6 Nov 2017
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex

          That's the key. Nothing Rust could do other than commit to a stable ABI would be sufficient, and that's an unacceptable demand.

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex

          Also, packaging groups make exceptions to their rules (Chrome, for example), and it's very hard to even discuss these things.

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex

          fwiw, I'd be very happy to have a conversation with someone interested in hashing this out with an open mind.

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        6. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          I've yet to meet any one person who understands both sides of this. The Debian working group is like half a dozen people which seems like-

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        7. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex @wycats

          -a tiny amount of people for getting Rust into one of the most important OSes. The OS story is, imo, the single most important Rust thing rn

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        8. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex @wycats

          Which is a long way of saying I don't know who you should talk to, but maybe seek out the working groups for each OS+Rust effort? :)

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        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex

          (for reference, I'm on rust core team and creator of Cargo, very interested in Debian integration that satisfies Debian core constraints)

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