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    1. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @wycats @mj_langford

      I did _so much_ interoperability work at HashiCorp (not least for Windows) that I'm prepared to say this unequivocally: Windows is harder.

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @mj_langford

      1: I think it's hard to unravel the lived experience of "Windows is harder" which I of course agree with, and "there are fewer existing

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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      2: infrastructure pieces that already support Windows", which imo is a big part of why it feels harder. I also have done a ton of interop

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    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      3: work, including doing the design for the Rust time stdlib and helping with the Rust nix (Unix shim) and mio libraries in the early days

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      4/4: I this it's unquestionable that the experience of supporting Windows is harder. The question to ask is why.

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    6. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      What's the ideal way to distribute a C library to make it easy for Windows developers to use it? Bare .c & .h files to copy paste?

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @zofrex

      Rust :)

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    8. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      It would literally be a one-liner in Rust so there's no need for it ;) targeting software that can't yet integrate Rust into their toolchain

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    9. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @zofrex @wycats

      (Which btw if you want to talk about OS distribution is basically "everything that targets any Linux or BSD" but that's another rant)

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @zofrex

      .c and .h is a good enough packaging then, yes.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @zofrex

      Are you just saying Rust can't target FreeBSD?

      10:30 AM - 6 Nov 2017
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        2. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          It can in the relatively trivial sense of compiling and running, but try getting a Rust library into ports / apt / yum / etc

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex

          I think that's because of legacy bureaucracy rather than real technical limitations. I'm not saying it's not needed at all, but rather ...

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex

          that some crufty ideology around what qualifies as a "well behaved package" is in need of some review.

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        5. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          Perhaps. I think dynamic linking still has its place... It's nice to not recompile the world for the weekly curl CVE!

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        6. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex @wycats

          But regardless of whether the current state of OS packaging is optimal or even correct, Rust did not target how they actually work

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        7. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex @wycats

          That's the social equivalent of targeting a different architecture and asking them to change it

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex

          It seems inappropriate to call a programming language unacceptable until it's willing to commit to a stable dynlinkable ABI.

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        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex

          That's the key. Nothing Rust could do other than commit to a stable ABI would be sufficient, and that's an unacceptable demand.

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