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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      2: infrastructure pieces that already support Windows", which imo is a big part of why it feels harder. I also have done a ton of interop

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      3: work, including doing the design for the Rust time stdlib and helping with the Rust nix (Unix shim) and mio libraries in the early days

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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      4/4: I this it's unquestionable that the experience of supporting Windows is harder. The question to ask is why.

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    4. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @mj_langford

      Now this part is an area where reasonable discussion can be had! The blockers are becoming fewer with time, certainly. It took days (...)

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @wycats @mj_langford

      to get the @boundary meter to properly cross compile from Linux to Windows with code signing etc. Dependencies wouldn't compile on MSVCC ...

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    6. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @wycats @mj_langford

      and running a build system without visual studio installed proved _incredibly_ hard. Then testing was an issue. We had Windows licenses(...)

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    7. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @wycats @mj_langford

      but back then there was no easy SSH to Windows, so even testing compiled binaries was harder than necessary. I definitely don't buy (...)

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    8. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @wycats @mj_langford

      the idea that a few ifdefs are that much harder (we supported 8 OS's in one pure C code base) - but the tooling is substantially different.

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    9. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @wycats @mj_langford

      Things like Go, Rust and Kotlin Native have improved this in many regards - at least until you need to link to native libraries.

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @mj_langford

      OSX linker is quite different from the Linux linker (namespaced symbols, for one, lookup of staticlibs for another, frameworks for a third)

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      I agree that shims are the way forward. People should use them, rather than assume the problem is intrinsic and intractable.

      9:43 AM - 6 Nov 2017
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        2. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mj_langford

          This is one of the areas that Go gets largely correct - a small group bears the burden of supporting the abstraction across different tools

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @jen20 @mj_langford

          Rust too, and yes.

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        4. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mj_langford

          Yup - although the problem of abstraction breaking down can still be problematic - https://github.com/rust-lang/libc/issues/570 … for example

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @jen20 @mj_langford

          Go does this better than Rust, but not forever.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mj_langford

          Go takes an approach with its own set of problems. Luckily the Windows work done allowed us to support Illumos + Solaris off the back of it

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        7. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @jen20 @wycats @mj_langford

          Ultimately though, LLVM and Clang have an approach for cross compilation which is just nicer than that of GCC et al, so theres definite hope

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