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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @mj_langford

      I put unix in quotes ("for this" referring to interop). Was responding to someone who said "interop with Unix"

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      People target nothing specific. They just add workarounds for platforms they feel morally willing to work with.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @mj_langford

      People target POSIX, Linux or MacOS (occasionally BSD or Windows, too). People who know what they are doing know what they are targeting.

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    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @mj_langford

      That's just not true. Almost every real system targets epoll/kqueue, which are non-standard interfaces.

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      For the longest time, people said they couldn't support Windows because there was no equiv of epoll/kqueue. False: IOCP can shim it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @mj_langford

      That may be true, but it was always a garbage argument. We have event ports, there are lots of ways to support all models.

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @mj_langford

      Right. Exactly. I'm saying that Linux+OSX=Unix is actually causing the exact confusion you were worried about.

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    8. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @mj_langford

      I don't use UNIX to mean that. You shouldn't either. Writing portable code is not hard. Fucked if I'm going to test it on Windows though.

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    9. James Nugent‏ @jen20 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @wycats @mj_langford

      I did _so much_ interoperability work at HashiCorp (not least for Windows) that I'm prepared to say this unequivocally: Windows is harder.

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @jen20 @mj_langford

      1: I think it's hard to unravel the lived experience of "Windows is harder" which I of course agree with, and "there are fewer existing

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

      2: infrastructure pieces that already support Windows", which imo is a big part of why it feels harder. I also have done a ton of interop

      9:30 AM - 6 Nov 2017
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

          3: work, including doing the design for the Rust time stdlib and helping with the Rust nix (Unix shim) and mio libraries in the early days

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @jen20 @mj_langford

          4/4: I this it's unquestionable that the experience of supporting Windows is harder. The question to ask is why.

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        4. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          What's the ideal way to distribute a C library to make it easy for Windows developers to use it? Bare .c & .h files to copy paste?

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex

          Rust :)

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        6. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          It would literally be a one-liner in Rust so there's no need for it ;) targeting software that can't yet integrate Rust into their toolchain

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        7. zofrex‏ @zofrex 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex @wycats

          (Which btw if you want to talk about OS distribution is basically "everything that targets any Linux or BSD" but that's another rant)

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        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @zofrex

          .c and .h is a good enough packaging then, yes.

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        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @zofrex

          Are you just saying Rust can't target FreeBSD?

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