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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @BrandonBloom @jlongster

      What metrics do you use?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @BrandonBloom @jlongster

      How about un-recentered SAT score mean and median?

      2 replies 2 retweets 12 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @BrandonBloom @jlongster

      How did Galileo do on the SATs?

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    4. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @wycats @BrandonBloom @jlongster

      Better than latest crop, but who knows? On the other hand, we know how well last few gens did, in spite of recentering. E pur si muove.

      1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
    5. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

      Composition effects.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @samth @wycats and

      Schwuh?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

      Decline in SAT score is driven almost entirely by composition effects.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @samth @wycats and

      This refutes me how?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

      The increase in numbers of students who take the SAT is not a decline in western civilization.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @samth @wycats and

      Au contraire, esp. w/ usurious gov't-lent student loan racket (Bush + R congress 2005: not dischargeable in bankruptcy). Perhaps we agree.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Nov 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @samth and

      If literacy rate goes up, average reading level among literate is a bad metric. Same here.

      1:06 PM - 3 Nov 2017
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        2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @samth and

          Literacy rate is flat (meaning probably down). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States …

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @BrendanEich @samth and

          It was an analogy. You had those when you took the SATs right ;)

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @samth and

          No, your "goes up" is not an analogy for "flat (or really, falling)".

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. End of conversation
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        2. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @wycats @BrendanEich and

          "western civ declining" always comes with a hidden assumption that "my favorite culture" equals "western civ". Which can't be true if ...

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @eaf4 @wycats and

          ...you want to claim socrates, descarte, luther, einstein, et al are all part of western civ.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @eaf4 @wycats and

          There's a progression, but no Whig historiographic b.s. Problem is all good things come to end. You should have stopped after Socrates, btw.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

          If decline hypothesis is valid there should be many strong metrics. So far you've suggested one, and it's easily been refuted. More metrics?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @eaf4 @BrendanEich and

          It's comically predictable for one to claim that decline began after the Golden Age that just happens to coincide with their own youth.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @eaf4 @wycats and

          My youth has nothing to do with it (I'm older than you think). I cited objective-enough measures. Try a non-ad-hominem response.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Edward Faulkner‏ @eaf4 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

          One measure: SAT scores. Two people pointed out that reduced mean is easily explained by artifacts of sample selection. Got more metrics?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 3 Nov 2017
          Replying to @eaf4 @wycats and

          That is not what happened when SAT scores were intentionally recentered based on empircal distribution. https://research.collegeboard.org/programs/sat/data/equivalence …

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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