I don't think any frameworks force you in this sense. Calling this a React advantage is strange. This whole thing is strange.
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Frameworks (“toolkits” in old days) can take over whole app & its runtime, make it big, slow, non-progressive. True fact!
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My app,
@skylight, using "heavy framework" Ember, has used a static login page from the beginning. "Not being punished" feels like spin.1 reply 0 retweets 12 likes -
Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake and
Must everything be politicized? I'm describing known problem, Jake too. I've seen it back to the '80s. Good of Ember to avoid but it's real.
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fwiw it's easy to think this isn't the Ember 'way' due to stuff likehttps://tomdale.net/2013/09/progressive-enhancement-is-dead/ …
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Replying to @jaffathecake @BrendanEich and
I stand by that argument. Developers are gonna write JS apps, we need to give them tools that do the right thing.
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There's a subtly in that post: progressive enhancement meaning the specific technique of server templates + JS sprinkles.
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Subtlety*. The fact that React (or Ember) lets you write an app the way you want to and still get the SSR benefits is key.
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I guess there's disagreement in the term then. I'd call a *functional* SSR, with JS arriving later, classic progressive enhancement.
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That post is from 2013. It seems disingenuous to argue that it's not the Ember way given our investment in FastBoot in the interim.
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In particular, this 2013 follow-up: https://tomdale.net/2013/09/maybe-progressive-enhancement-is-the-wrong-term/ … and this 2015 post on the same blog:https://tomdale.net/2015/02/youre-missing-the-point-of-server-side-rendered-javascript-apps/ …
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Replying to @wycats @jaffathecake and
I don't think the way people talked about this in 2013 bears a lot on today's landscape. We knew we wanted SSR + rehydration even back then.
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