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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017

      So yeah, after that conversation I genuinely think that "Framework as a Service" describes what's interesting about the shift.

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017

      Instead of running the framework in your process (which gives dev flexibility in exchange for ops cost) move the fwk into the platform.

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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017

      That probably slows down the vibrancy of framework evolution, but 13+ years after Rails it makes sense to bake it in for many people.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017

      I just hope that that doesn't mean we become reliant on Amazon (closed source) to add important fwk features we used to be able to do OSS.

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        1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017

          But generally the push and pull is that with enough demand comes new OSS solutions. Rails was harder to ops than PHP, still highly adopted.

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        2. Loren Segal‏ @lsegal 20 Oct 2017
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          Lambda support exists at language level, not framework level. You're not really locked into framework features unless that changed?

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @lsegal

          You are because you can't (or shouldn't) run stuff like a router inside your function. So you're reliant on Lambda to perform the role ...

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @lsegal

          traditionally filled by in-process frameworks.

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        2. Michael Bleigh‏ @mbleigh 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          FWIW we think about this a lot at Firebase wrt Cloud Functions. We want it to feel like a friendly primitive you can extend.

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        3. Michael Bleigh‏ @mbleigh 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @mbleigh @wycats

          Paradoxically we currently accomplish this by being *more* opinionated and building programmable superstructures on the raw compute product.

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @mbleigh

          Yeah that sounds about right (and not paradoxical).

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        1. Alex Kessinger‏ @voidfiles 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          Feels like if you write code that responds to events you can be relatively vendor independent. How diff can amz and azure http event be.

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        1. Jesse Ezell‏ @jezell 20 Oct 2017
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          No reason things like RDS / Lambda / S3 can't be offered on K8s, eliminating cloud vendor lockin. Lots of in progress already on this in OSS

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        1. Jesse Ezell‏ @jezell 20 Oct 2017
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          This is where Kubernetes comes in. Serverless / FaaS on Kube is > Lambda. Kubernetes needs to become standard deployment model.

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