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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017

    To me, "serverless" is about moving the framework into the platform. "Hosted Rails controllers" would look a lot like serverless.

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      2. Jared Nance‏ @jaredcnance 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Serverless is all about optimizing utilization

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @jaredcnance

        It's about empowering people to think about less things, I think, not optimization.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Jared Nance‏ @jaredcnance 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        I think a lot of it has to do with cost and only paying for the compute you use.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Jared Nance‏ @jaredcnance 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @jaredcnance @wycats

        From my experience I don't feel like I have saved much on development or received an improved DX ... but maybe it's too new

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @jaredcnance

        Are the server savings a dominant source of cost for your application?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Jared Nance‏ @jaredcnance 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        We're trying this model for two reasons: - quicker scaling based on demand - server utilization We haven't gone to production yet so...

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      8. Jared Nance‏ @jaredcnance 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @jaredcnance @wycats

        I can't speak on actual savings. Only DX so far

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      9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @jaredcnance

        Yehuda Katz  🥨 Retweeted Jared Nance

        I'm confused. You saidhttps://twitter.com/jaredcnance/status/921431961729748994 …

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        Jared Nance @jaredcnance
        Replying to @jaredcnance @wycats
        From my experience I don't feel like I have saved much on development or received an improved DX ... but maybe it's too new
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      2. James Thompson‏ @plainprogrammer 21 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Except for the loss of abstraction for things like persistence that's not far off

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 21 Oct 2017
        Replying to @plainprogrammer

        Don't Lambda users usually use Dynamo, S3 or other platform-abstracted storage?

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      4. James Thompson‏ @plainprogrammer 21 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        I would put those in the realm of platform specific. No use using things like Fog when you're committing to the platform.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 21 Oct 2017
        Replying to @plainprogrammer

        Right, storage abstraction (s3, not SSDs) is a framework concern and the framework was moved into the platform.

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      2. Jeremy Green‏ @jagthedrummer 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        I’ve described it to people as “like Heroku for single controller actions or single Sidekiq workers”.

        4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @jagthedrummer

        Yeah that sounds right.

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      4. End of conversation
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      2. Sergio Garcia Murillo‏ @murillo 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        To me "serverless" means "someone else's servers" ;)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @murillo

        But that's true about AWS even!

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      2. your boy j money‏ @soederpop 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        that is exactly what they are - http request and response handlers - firebase cloud functions are literally express route handlers

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. David‏ @Da_vidgf 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @soederpop @wycats

        Not really. Serverless is about building event driven applications. HTTP requests are only one kind of the events that can be handled

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @Da_vidgf @soederpop

        At some point you have to serialize the function call ...

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. David‏ @Da_vidgf 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats @soederpop

        Yes, the tweet was directed to @soederpop. My point was that HTTP req are not necessarily the only source of events that could trigger a fn

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      6. your boy j money‏ @soederpop 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @Da_vidgf @wycats

        you’re right - at least w fb cloud functions I’ve also set up db triggers and such. I think the rails controller metaphor is still great

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