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    1. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @lennym

      FaaS … functions as a service

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    2. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @jasonmulligan @wycats @lennym

      i didn’t make that up… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Function_as_a_service … ;)

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @jasonmulligan @lennym

      I think that's also pretty misleading. It's a narrow subset of the arch.

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    4. Lenny Martin‏ @lennym 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jasonmulligan

      And I think this is why I've never particularly objected to "serverless", it describes the mental model rather than the infrastructure.

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    5. Lenny Martin‏ @lennym 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @lennym @wycats @jasonmulligan

      Nobody really believes there are no servers, but the thinking moves away from processes running on hardware towards units of functionality.

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @lennym @jasonmulligan

      But again, that shift already happened with Heroku

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    7. Lenny Martin‏ @lennym 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jasonmulligan

      I respectfully disagree, but that might be just my own experience. I always considered things I've deployed there to be exactly servers.

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    8. Lenny Martin‏ @lennym 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @lennym @wycats @jasonmulligan

      I certainly consider there to be a significant paradigm difference between stuff I put on AWS/API Gateway/Lambda and Heroku.

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    9. Lenny Martin‏ @lennym 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @lennym @wycats @jasonmulligan

      Anyway, I asked to genuinely seek your thoughts rather than to disagree. Original tweet has a lot of truth - just looking for a better name.

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    10. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @lennym @wycats

      are you splitting hairs on stateless vs stateful programming? FaaS implies stateless by design, others allow either

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
      Replying to @jasonmulligan @lennym

      REST programming (Rails and PHP) is stateless or it doesn't work. Pure means no side effects and at some point you need to record things.

      9:52 AM - 20 Oct 2017
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        2. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @lennym

          REST programming isn’t a thing, REST is a way to transmit data that describes where you can move from it; FP stateless is pure

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @jasonmulligan @lennym

          HTTP verbs imply idempotence, etc. If you go with the grain on HTTP you have a shared-nothing architecture.

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        4. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @lennym

          sure, but that’s level 2 on RMM, level 3 is hypermedia which is a pre-req of REST… without Link header you don’t have REST

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        5. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @jasonmulligan @wycats @lennym

          devs took this into weird areas with json-ld, etc., where it’s baked into the data by convention, ignoring the protocol entirely

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        6. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @jasonmulligan @wycats @lennym

          so to get back on track, of course any function in any lang might be pure, but imo FaaS is FP over the wire :)

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        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @jasonmulligan @lennym

          To an FP adherent, everything is the second coming of FP. I don't think "FP over the wire" is how most ppl use serverless ;)

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Jason Mulligan‏ @jasonmulligan 20 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @lennym

          no kidding 😂😂

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