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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017

    So I'm no fan of whiny prescriptivism language complainers, but "serverless" really takes the cake for a pointlessly confusing neologism.

    9:31 AM - 20 Oct 2017
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      2. Glenn Vanderburg‏ @glv 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Ha! I kind of *am* a whiny prescriptivist language complainer, and I like "serverless" … it seems useful and self-evident to me. :-)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @glv

        What does it self evidently mean?

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      4. Glenn Vanderburg‏ @glv 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        That you don't have to worry about or administer the servers. (Yes, it's technically incorrect. But I instantly knew what it meant the 1/

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Glenn Vanderburg‏ @glv 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @glv @wycats

        first time I heard it, and I haven't heard any other term that I think is better.) 2/2

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @glv

        Why did this feel new and different compared to Heroku? Or would you call Heroku serverless too?

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Glenn Vanderburg‏ @glv 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Not saying serverless is a perfect term, and I would welcome a better one. But I think the snark about it is tiresome.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @glv

        I'm mostly trying to figure out what is different about it vs Heroku (there are things!) and the name obscures more than it helps.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats @glv

        FaaS is better, I think.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Lenny Martin‏ @lennym 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        How would you describe that which is called "serverless"?

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @lennym

        Autoscaling PaaS? I mean I don't love XaaS either but at least it doesn't sound like something it's not.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats @lennym

        there's also this event-orientedness of serverless stuff that I think is important to capture, vs. PaaS like Heroku.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @andknf @lennym

        So the non-REST is a critical difference? Seems a little weird I think.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats @lennym

        i don't think it's just non-REST — but if you're building a RESTful API in serverless, you're still architecting events

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      7. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @andknf @wycats @lennym

        endpoints + requests give way to functions + events. it's a similar pattern, but it's general to serverless

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @andknf @lennym

        But since you're not calling functions by reference you're still invoking something by endpoint name and params no?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats @lennym

        yeah — like, we still have to handle requests. but a function's a whole container. there's no request-piping stack inside a function (nrmly)

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      2. Oren Teich‏ @teich 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        FWIW I agree. Stupid term. Boils down to cost proportional to usage.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @teich

        What would you say are the salient differences between Heroku and "serverless"?

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Oren Teich‏ @teich 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        Sometimes the same idea with a new name gets people excited and that’s ok.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @teich

        Yeah. The main cost is losing the ability to cleanly learn lessons from last rev. But empowering ppl ftw.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Oren Teich‏ @teich 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @wycats

        I’m trying to keep some lessons from the past going.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Oct 2017
        Replying to @teich

        Seems legit.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. End of conversation

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