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    1. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @seldo @wycats @izs

      Webpack is solving a brain-breakingly hard problem and covering a ton of edge cases. Everyone inc. its authors agrees it could be better.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    2. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @seldo @wycats @izs

      But in webpack's case I think the lack of *successful* competitors is because the edge cases are so very difficult to get right.

      5 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @seldo @izs

      I definitely do not agree with this. But it's the right thing to say publicly so I'm not surprised you are. Rollup, at minimum, is an alt.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @seldo @izs

      Webpack is harder than it should be (to get the edge cases right) because the primitives are weak. But I didn't want to talk specifics!

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @seldo @izs

      #SuccessfullyBaited

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @seldo @izs

      Honestly, in this case, everyone walking on eggshells around Webpack is hurting even Webpack's ability to recognize its own flaws.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @seldo @izs

      1: I want to be clear: The latest libraries I've written use Webpack to bundle tests. @tomdale has been using Webpack on a Glimmer project.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @seldo and

      2: I've also used Rollup (for glimmer itself and new glimmer projects by default) and Broccoli (for ember apps and some libs).

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @seldo and

      3: This is (emphatically) not me grousing because something I don't use is "winning". I (and @tomdale) would like nothing more than to ...

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @seldo and

      4: feel really great about webpack for our code-splitting use cases. But what I want more is for the ecosystem to have a great solution.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @seldo and

      5: My original tweets weren't targeted at webpack but it seems ppl want to talk about it (#NerdSniped).

      8:22 AM - 17 Oct 2017
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          6: There's generally not enough willingness to take critiques seriously, especially around the most popular projects. Almost every time ...

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          7: I critique something in the JS space the dominant opinion is that I'm just whining because I'm "losing" (whatever that means).

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          8: I used to criticize node, and I adopted it once it was reliable enough (in like 2010).

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          9: I used to criticize npm (I collaborated on yarn!) but lately I've been using npm5 since my biggest issues are alleviated.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          10: I used to criticize Babel (back in the days when we maintained our own module transpiler) but we adopted it and ran with it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          11: The assumption in the JS ecosystem that criticism is "whining because you're losing" is what I'm talking about. People are so ...

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          12: enamored by the idea of a "defacto standard" ("Like jQuery™") that discussion about drawbacks and limitations is discouraged.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          13: While I'm on this topic, I want to mega-hat-tip @sebmarkbage for engaging like a boss on limitations of React.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          14: I still like Glimmer's architecture better, but I'm beyond thrilled that the React team worked on Prepack and Fiber.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        11. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          15: In the Ember community, we spend a whole lot of time thinking (both privately and publicly) about what we could be doing better.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        12. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          16: I would really encourage more communities to engage in a public dialogue about deficiencies and improvements.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        13. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          17: If nothing else, it will help users avoid the whiplash of "everything is awesome and we have the best solution ever" followed ...

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        14. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          18: a week later by a number of breaking changes because "everyone knew that solution was terrible."

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        15. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          19: In closing, I think "defacto standard" makes these head-in-the-sand tendencies worse, and I think ...

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        16. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @seldo and

          20/20: we should be working much harder to identify and publicly discuss deficiencies in our approaches.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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