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    1. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 10 Oct 2017
      Replying to @b0neskull @AdamRackis and

      Focus on formatting quibbles is often a sign that reviewers aren't bothering to actually understand the code.

      3 replies 3 retweets 13 likes
    2. Christopher Hiller‏ @b0neskull 10 Oct 2017
      Replying to @awbjs @AdamRackis and

      it’s an easy trap to fall into; I’m saying automation takes it off the table altogether

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 10 Oct 2017
      Replying to @b0neskull @awbjs and

      That is winning for many. Dialectical end-state is language-mandated style (no style degrees of freedom in syntax): http://robert.ocallahan.org/2010/07/coding-style-as-failure-of-language_21.html …

      2 replies 4 retweets 4 likes
    4. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 10 Oct 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @b0neskull and

      Smalltalk lacks any syntactic structure above method body & tooling favors small bodies, so style guides focus on programming in the large

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 10 Oct 2017
      Replying to @awbjs @b0neskull and

      Smalltalk had tooling & structure editing from early on, dinnit?

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    6. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 10 Oct 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @b0neskull and

      Code browsers supply the structure about the level of individual methods. extern src format not designed for human consumptionpic.twitter.com/tpJepor8ML

      3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    7.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 10 Oct 2017
      Replying to @awbjs @BrendanEich and

      It's quite sad that Smalltalk-style envs didn't win and we were left with editing text files in text editors instead :(

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    8. Stefan Tilkov‏ @stilkov 10 Oct 2017
      Replying to @robotlolita @awbjs and

      This continues to drive me crazy. The file-based approach won because it’s *better*. You can’t compete with the existing tooling for files.

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Oct 2017
      Replying to @stilkov @robotlolita and

      Indeed. "everything was better in the 60s" (or 80s, or 90s) ignores what sucked about those solutions.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    10.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 11 Oct 2017
      Replying to @wycats @stilkov and

      I don't think anyone here ignores that there were problems with the Smalltalk approach, or is saying "everything was better back then"...

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Oct 2017
      Replying to @robotlolita @stilkov and

      I think the smalltalk approach failed on the merits. I don't want it today personally.

      12:21 PM - 11 Oct 2017
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        2.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 11 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @stilkov and

          You don't want what part of it? An image-based environment? I can agree with that. Immediate and rich feedback OTOH...

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Oct 2017
          Replying to @robotlolita @stilkov and

          Immediate feedback is great. But can be done without source stored in an image.

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        4.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 11 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @stilkov and

          I think we disagree on Smalltalk's strengths being the use of an image-based format to store programs, then.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 11 Oct 2017
          Replying to @robotlolita @wycats and

          To me Smalltalk's strengths are much more in the language's semantics and integrated set of reflective tooling w/ immediate feedback.

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Oct 2017
          Replying to @robotlolita @stilkov and

          I'm a fan of those. Ruby has a good amount of the language level semantics. Someone should build a class browser for ruby!

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        7.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 11 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @stilkov and

          IMHO lexical scoping at the top level isn't very compatible with the kind of editors Smalltalk had.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Oct 2017
          Replying to @robotlolita @stilkov and

          Why's that?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Oct 2017
          Replying to @wycats @robotlolita and

          "integrated set of reflective tooling with immediate feedback" doesn't seem to depend on this very much?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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