Sanders is a long way from his 2016 campaign position that the police should handle campus felonies.https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/911248518249156610 …
Depends on the punishment. Involving cops if the punishment is an apology seems not necessary. Not everyone in a position to deal w/ CJ sys
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Two add'l options at that point: 1) Mary Koss (among others) has championed idea of restoratuve justice: http://www.skidmore.edu/campusrj/karp-vitae-files/media/The-lonely-quest-of-Mary-Koss.pdf …
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Approach avoids worst effects of the current system (schools can wrongly brand student a rapist). Problem: forbidden by 1997 OCR guidance.
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2) Nothing in current debate envisions rollback of existing *non-adjudicatory* accommodations (academic, housing, counseling, medical, etc.)
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The tone of the debate matters somewhat. You tend to be nuanced but whether someone believes "rapes are rare on campus" affects what happens
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And I think it's relevant that "police or GTFO" is often used in the real world to say "I don't believe you if you won't go to the cops"
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That doesn't mean we should brand people w/o due process (multiple cases show the folly of that) but CJ as rhetorical panacea has effects.
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Agree completely with this.
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To state a (probably obvious) point, if we crack down on undocumented immigrants via cops, what now?
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Correct. But the big difference here is we're already speaking of a felony in all 50 states.
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Still: law enf. has tools to determine truth colleges don't. So if goal is->truth, then college system at least has to try to replicate.
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Classic examples here are cases like Amherst (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/campus-sexual-assault-policies-are-unfair-to-the-accused-this-case-shows-how/2017/08/16/2ab6781e-7de0-11e7-a669-b400c5c7e1cc_story.html?utm_term=.2f33e9c23054 …), where college's inability to subpoena ensured that truth was hidden.
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I think it makes sense to take felonies to the cops, but if the ppl advocating that also want to throw victims in jail if they're ...
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... undocumented, we just don't have a coherent policy. And how we talk about adjudicatory policy affects non-adjudicatory policy.
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I guess I'm not saying anything new or particularly insightful. Partisan rancor sucks and as always makes the debate suck.
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Wholly on the undocumented point. (Also applies to other marginalized groups--esp trans students & in some cases students of color.)
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