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    1. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @BrendanEich and

      I was in those discussions, it was my job to be. I can attest no one in W3C management pushed for DRM. It's just not true.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @robinberjon @wycats and

      "Due to massive pushback from the likes of the MPAA [and] Netflix, Tim Berners-Lee rejected this covenant proposal."https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170712/10262037770/eff-officially-appeals-tim-berners-lee-decision-drm-html.shtml …

      1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
    3. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

      No offence but that article doesn't strike me as sourced and unbiased...

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @robinberjon @BrendanEich and

      As someone "in the discussions" are you saying there wasn't massive pushback from the likes of MPAA and Netflix?

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    5. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @BrendanEich and

      I cannot speak from fact in 2016-17, but before they essentially did not show up. A few messages, maybe. However, as I someone who gets...

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @robinberjon @wycats and

      ...anywhere near enough or pull something off on their own. This decision does not happen without browser vendors behind it, plain & simple.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @robinberjon @wycats and

      Three of four browser vendors are DRM vendors too. Again, the Director could have ruled for the compromise.

      3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

      Absolutely. Were there any calls to boycott them and exert pressure where it mattered? I didn't see any...

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @robinberjon @BrendanEich and

      Boycott all browsers?

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    10. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @BrendanEich and

      That are DRM vendors. One isn't.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 19 Sep 2017
      Replying to @robinberjon @BrendanEich and

      This isn't a very productive activism direction. People mostly use browsers for quality, not moral reasons.

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        2. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @BrendanEich and

          Who’s fatalistic now? :) Browser qualities are within breathing distance of one another, it’s not like it’s a serious sacrifice.

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        3. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @robinberjon @wycats and

          Stop putting onus on activists to make up for W3C's failure. If we have to do this (cf. http://WHATWG.org  in 2004) why do we need W3C?

          3 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
        4. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

          There is no Web police. It’s not that the onus is on activists — it’s on everyone who cares.

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @robinberjon @wycats and

          Then why does the Director have authority to resolve conflicts? You can't have it both ways. TBL rejected EFF's proposal. He's on the hook.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        6. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

          Ok, and what happens next? Say, in the wake of that decision Apple leaves. EME goes to a separate consortium, without IPR. Is it a win?

          4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        7. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @robinberjon @wycats and

          Who would leave over the EFF-proposed covenant? I'd like to know but secret vote is secret, doesn't tell who would actually leave over it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        8. BrendanEich‏Verified account @BrendanEich 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @BrendanEich @robinberjon and

          But yes, in extremis, it's far better for W3C to uphold the Open Web principles that it is founded upon, than to violate those principles.

          2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
        9. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 19 Sep 2017
          Replying to @BrendanEich @wycats and

          So win morally but die as an organisation? Maybe. Again, I’m not sure there is a win in there.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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