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    1. MICHAEL JACKSON in SF‏ @mjackson 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @xander76

      Ya, probably. But that's an easy fix: just don't contribute. You can still use it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @mjackson @xander76

      The appropriate license for users incorporates all IP contributed to React in the patent grant and doesn't privilege Facebook.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. MICHAEL JACKSON in SF‏ @mjackson 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @xander76

      Yes, again, I agree. But up to this point you're the first person who has expressed any concern for the contributors. That's not the issue.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. MICHAEL JACKSON in SF‏ @mjackson 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @mjackson @wycats @xander76

      The issue is that there is a bunch of FUD going around by people who are afraid they can't use React because they can't sue FB if they do.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Eric Florenzano‏ @ericflo 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @mjackson @wycats @xander76

      It's not FUD if it's true. If e.g. Oculus infringed on your VR work & you wanted to sue, you can't. Totally unrelated to React.

      2 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
    6. Ariel Reinitz‏ @ArielR_IP 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @ericflo @mjackson and

      If you use React you *can* sue FB for infringing your patent. FB can just defend using React patents. More here:https://blog.cloudboost.io/3-points-to-consider-before-migrating-away-from-react-because-of-facebooks-bsd-patent-license-b4a32562d268 …

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    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Sep 2017
      Replying to @ArielR_IP @ericflo and

      That isn't the point of the patent clause. The point is to discourage lawsuits by revoking your license to React patents.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @ArielR_IP and

      The problem is that Facebook faces no punishment for initiating patent lawsuits, which is different from Apache.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Ariel Reinitz‏ @ArielR_IP 17 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @ericflo and

      Reality is that FB is sued (way) more often that suing others. You can choose to ignore this but I don't fault them for accounting for it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Sep 2017
      Replying to @ArielR_IP @ericflo and

      I don't in any way fault them for trying to turn FB "OSS" into a Trojan horse to protect themselves from patent suits. Just worth knowing.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @ArielR_IP and

      When you use Facebook "OSS" you're participating in a scheme cooked up by Facebook legal to mitigate legal risks to Facebook the corporation

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        2. out of egypt, into the great laugh of mankind‏ @nightpool 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @ArielR_IP and

          when you use [INSERT WEBSITE HERE] you're participating in a scheme to mitigate legal risks that's how ToCs work.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. out of egypt, into the great laugh of mankind‏ @nightpool 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @nightpool @wycats and

          Anyway, I fail to see how the patent grant is in any way applicable to me if I don't use patents and want to discourage their use.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Ariel Reinitz‏ @ArielR_IP 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @nightpool @wycats and

          If you don't have your own patents, there's really nothing to see here.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @ArielR_IP @nightpool and

          Unless you care about the stability and long-term viability of the open source ecosystem.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @ArielR_IP and

          As you said, Facebook is deciding to put its own interests above the community. Disingenuous to tell the community "nothing to see here"

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Ariel Reinitz‏ @ArielR_IP 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @nightpool and

          I'm referring to the immediate, practical, micro-level Q of: how does the license affect *me*. If you don't have patents, it really doesn't.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @ArielR_IP @nightpool and

          Right, but maybe if you don't have patents (and therefore are a little guy) you care about the long term big picture.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Ariel Reinitz‏ @ArielR_IP 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @ericflo and

          FB holds tons of patents to discourage you from suing (or face countersuit). They just won't allow you to use React as shield if you sue 1st

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Ariel Reinitz‏ @ArielR_IP 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @ArielR_IP @wycats and

          Apache is more 'balanced' but risks of parties are not equal here. FB is much more likely to be sued by you than you are to be sued by them.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Ori Livni  🔥‏ @oriSomething 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @ArielR_IP and

          Main reason why I probably won't contribute code to any FB OSS project. I don't think as a non FB employee I should strengthen their power

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        1. ᒍᒍoos‏ @JJoos 17 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @ArielR_IP and

          Well if you use Ember and sue FB for patent infringment their patents will probably stil apply to Ember too, so no real difference there..

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