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Tilde Co-Founder, OSS enthusiast and world traveler.

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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017

      I'm seeing a lot of "but X other company also has patents." Yes, that's the broken system but the unique issue is the unusual license

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    2. MICHAEL JACKSON in SF‏ @mjackson 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      You acknowledge the system is broken but criticize FB for trying something new? How will it ever get fixed?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @mjackson

      New != Better. Unilaterally singling out a particular contributor in an OSS IP license is bad, full stop.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. Sasha Aickin‏ @xander76 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @mjackson

      Interestingly tho the FB clause only licenses patents from FB, not from other contributors. So it's *more* restrictive on FB.

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    5. Sasha Aickin‏ @xander76 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @xander76 @wycats @mjackson

      Arguably FB license is more pro-other contributor since it grants them more rights than Apache would.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Sasha Aickin‏ @xander76 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @xander76 @wycats @mjackson

      But, I mean, you're right that Apache 2 is a better license than FB's license.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @xander76 @mjackson

      In general, I think that specific-contributor clauses in OSS IP licenses are a violation of the spirit of the definition of OSS.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. MICHAEL JACKSON in SF‏ @mjackson 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @xander76

      Ya, probably. But that's an easy fix: just don't contribute. You can still use it.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
      Replying to @mjackson @xander76

      The appropriate license for users incorporates all IP contributed to React in the patent grant and doesn't privilege Facebook.

      10:51 AM - 16 Sep 2017
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        1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mjackson @xander76

          Here read it. If you believe the stuff you're saying about Facebook's goals, they should adopt this.pic.twitter.com/Zdt07aqLiG

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        2. MICHAEL JACKSON in SF‏ @mjackson 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @xander76

          Yes, again, I agree. But up to this point you're the first person who has expressed any concern for the contributors. That's not the issue.

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        3. MICHAEL JACKSON in SF‏ @mjackson 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @mjackson @wycats @xander76

          The issue is that there is a bunch of FUD going around by people who are afraid they can't use React because they can't sue FB if they do.

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @mjackson @xander76

          The issue here is that a bunch of people are unhappy with a bad license for a lot of different reasons and ppl keep being ...

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mjackson @xander76

          ... dismissive of those concerns. Lawyers in other companies who have looked at the license are aware of the contributor issue ...

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mjackson @xander76

          ... generally speaking being dismissive of concerns by repeatedly calling it FUD and oversimplifying doesn't convince anyone.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. MICHAEL JACKSON in SF‏ @mjackson 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @xander76

          I'm hardly being dismissive! I agreed with you that there's an issue. Just that it's not the issue that everyone's complaining about!

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @mjackson @xander76

          People are confused, but the "FUD" is really just people getting a valid Spidey sense that something ain't right here.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. MICHAEL JACKSON in SF‏ @mjackson 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @xander76

          I have about 100 replies from yesterday from people who are concerned about their right to sue Facebook. Nobody mentioned contributors.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Sasha Aickin‏ @xander76 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mjackson

          s/doesn't privilege/doesn't just restrict/ and I'm on board! 👍

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Sasha Aickin‏ @xander76 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @xander76 @wycats @mjackson

          And thanks @wycats for bringing this up & helping me learn. I hadn't heard this objection this way before (which probably was my fault!).

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Sep 2017
          Replying to @xander76 @mjackson

          The whole discussion has been fairly confusing and the most severe objections are being made by lawyers in private.

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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