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    1. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 9 Sep 2017

      It bugs me that people criticize TC39 for not basing Modules on Node/CJS. Why should they settle for a local maximum just bc it was first?

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    2. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @AdamRackis

      TC39 started working on modules in early 2009. Before Node was even released.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @awbjs

      Oh jfc they opted not to try to match the direction you all were headed?!

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @AdamRackis @awbjs

      Node was matching the CommonJS spec which while not a TC39 effort had member involvement.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @bradleymeck @AdamRackis

      Yes, in 2009 we were debating dynamic vs static module interface definition. Static prevailed.

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @awbjs @bradleymeck @AdamRackis

      The intuition @littlecalculist and @samth had that static modules would be a major enabler turned out to be true by the time we were done.

      1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
    7. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @wycats @awbjs and

      And partly took as long as it did because of need to engage and reconcile with Node use cases as best we could.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @littlecalculist @wycats and

      Note that wholesale adoption of Node/CJS was always a nonstarter b/c of sync IO.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 9 Sep 2017
      Replying to @littlecalculist @awbjs and

      Right. The cool thing about new syntax is we could bend the curve and get something flat but without blocking.

      4:18 PM - 9 Sep 2017
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        2. Rob Palmer‏ @robpalmer2 9 Sep 2017
          Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist and

          Avoiding sync IO & avoiding blocking syntax is good. But... having humans in charge of picking static vs dynamic import() isn't always best.

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        3. Rob Palmer‏ @robpalmer2 9 Sep 2017
          Replying to @robpalmer2 @wycats and

          Jest startup went twice as fast by converting static imports to JIT dynamic imports via transpilation. https://github.com/zertosh/babel-plugin-transform-inline-imports-commonjs/issues …

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        4. Rob Palmer‏ @robpalmer2 9 Sep 2017
          Replying to @robpalmer2 @wycats and

          You can't do that kind of "make-it-lazy" build-time optimisation with a native ES module loader. So we need to find new ways to be lazy.

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        5. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 9 Sep 2017
          Replying to @robpalmer2 @wycats and

          Classic best practice: "Don't conflate module management with configuration management".

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        6. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 9 Sep 2017
          Replying to @awbjs @robpalmer2 and

          Experience with early implementations not predictive of long term possibilities. Statically analyzable no help if not exploited by impls

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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