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Tilde Co-Founder, OSS enthusiast and world traveler.

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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @slightlylate @CodeForCashBook and

      For content, SSR is a good "first run" trick. Fast first run + competitive second run is a hard engineering problem.

      2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @wycats @CodeForCashBook and

      SSR is fine if TTI is good. Too many use it as a cop-out to (badly) hide JS payloads that make experience unusable at some later point.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @slightlylate @CodeForCashBook and

      For content, interactivity means scrolling, not necessarily things like showing user account or "like button"

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @wycats @slightlylate and

      You also need SSR at the primitive layer so apps built on a framework get SSR without jumping through millions of hoops.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @wycats @CodeForCashBook and

      Yeah, I don't buy this line of argument. I've seen many sites adopt "SSR" and then lock up devices for 10-15s w/ script. Simply broken.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @slightlylate @wycats and

      Worse, it's *invisibly* broken. There needs to be some name for this (I'm bad at names), but locking the main thread ain't cool. TTI matters

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Programming jobs‏ @CodeForCashBook 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @slightlylate @wycats and

      TTI = time to install? SSR = speedy second run? is this time to install for the end user or for the developer?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @CodeForCashBook @wycats and

      Time-to-Interactive. You can see it in http://webpagetest.org/easy  results if you check the "Run Lighthouse Audit" box.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Programming jobs‏ @CodeForCashBook 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @slightlylate @wycats and

      people are willing to put up with bad TTI times in exchange for animated loading screen showing progress. *feels* snappy

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Programming jobs‏ @CodeForCashBook 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @CodeForCashBook @slightlylate and

      people still love to see the computer "thinking" as well as an accurate measurement of its progress (not random jumps, windows update)

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 29 Aug 2017
      Replying to @CodeForCashBook @slightlylate and

      People might tolerate this in some cases but they don't *love* it. We can do much better.

      9:30 AM - 29 Aug 2017
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        2. Programming jobs‏ @CodeForCashBook 29 Aug 2017
          Replying to @wycats @slightlylate and

          just curious- do you have any data on user preferences for this, with breakdown btwn technical and non technical users?

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        3. Programming jobs‏ @CodeForCashBook 29 Aug 2017
          Replying to @CodeForCashBook @wycats and

          i recall seeing multiple studies where people favorably prefer services that show loading time. perhaps dan ariely, predictably irrational

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 29 Aug 2017
          Replying to @CodeForCashBook @slightlylate and

          Yes. (big fan of @danariely). But that doesn't mean slow apps w/ spinner preferable to fast apps w/ indicator.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Programming jobs‏ @CodeForCashBook 29 Aug 2017
          Replying to @wycats @slightlylate and

          spinner was never on the table (ew, vomit). i'm arguing for nice ui, progress bar toolkit as a stopgap until fast apps are ubiquitous.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 29 Aug 2017
          Replying to @CodeForCashBook @slightlylate and

          Quick content, dimmed second tier interactive elements feels nicer to me, but I'd also love studies

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Programming jobs‏ @CodeForCashBook 29 Aug 2017
          Replying to @wycats @slightlylate and

          i also want studies, but i'd settle for recommendations on easy progressive enhancement tooling

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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