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    1. Zoltan Kochan  🇺🇦 🇭🇺‏ @ZoltanKochan 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @PipoPeperoni

      pnpm has had a lockfile for quite some time. It is called shrinkwrap.yaml. I just updated it to have additional fields. See pnpm@0.69.1

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. Donald Pipowitch‏ @PipoPeperoni 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @ZoltanKochan

      Ah, I see. Thank you 👍

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    3. Zoltan Kochan  🇺🇦 🇭🇺‏ @ZoltanKochan 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @PipoPeperoni

      Do you think the naming is confusing? Now that npm has both a lock and a shrinkwrap I think people might get confused.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Zoltan Kochan  🇺🇦 🇭🇺‏ @ZoltanKochan 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @ZoltanKochan @PipoPeperoni

      But a lockfile always reminds me of thishttp://npmjs.com/package/proper-lockfile …

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    5. Donald Pipowitch‏ @PipoPeperoni 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @ZoltanKochan

      The name wasn't confusing for me, I just haven't used pnpm a lot. But maybe it would help if pnpm could be in the file name (like yarn.lock)

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Donald Pipowitch‏ @PipoPeperoni 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @PipoPeperoni @ZoltanKochan

      Besides that it could be "lock(file)", "shrinkwrap" or something different like "manifest" for me. Rusts Cargo also uses "Cargo.lock".

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    7. Zoltan Kochan  🇺🇦 🇭🇺‏ @ZoltanKochan 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @PipoPeperoni

      I was thinking about node_modules_lock.yaml

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    8. Donald Pipowitch‏ @PipoPeperoni 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @ZoltanKochan

      I probably would use "pnpm" instead of "node_modules". Makes it more clear who created this file, *if* it should not be used by others.

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    9. Donald Pipowitch‏ @PipoPeperoni 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @PipoPeperoni @ZoltanKochan

      I wonder if others use a ".lock" extension instead of something like ".yaml" to indicate that this file shouldnt be edited manually? @wycats

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    10. Zoltan Kochan  🇺🇦 🇭🇺‏ @ZoltanKochan 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @PipoPeperoni @wycats

      Good explanation from @izs why the .lock extension is a bad idea https://github.com/npm/npm/pull/16441#issuecomment-305824520 …pic.twitter.com/NEbG1tqh8D

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Jun 2017
      Replying to @ZoltanKochan @PipoPeperoni @izs

      This is a thing people get very convinced is a huge deal breaker that has virtually no real negative consequences in the real world.

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        2. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 6 Jun 2017
          Replying to @wycats @ZoltanKochan @PipoPeperoni

          It's just a bikeshed. Call it "xyz.fooblz" and it'd be fine, as long as it's communicated well enough to become a community idiom.

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        3. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 6 Jun 2017
          Replying to @izs @wycats and

          Words are just tokens in the language game. Semantics are the outcome of the moves in that game. They come from the players, not the pieces.

          1 reply 3 retweets 1 like
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Jun 2017
          Replying to @izs @ZoltanKochan @PipoPeperoni

          And .lock is a hugely popular, cross-language idiom for package management. ;)

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 6 Jun 2017
          Replying to @wycats @ZoltanKochan @PipoPeperoni

          Other than rubygems and package managers you wrote?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 6 Jun 2017
          Replying to @izs @wycats and

          Don't get me wrong, you're hugely influential. But so are maven, pear, cpan, nuget, npm, et al, where *.lock means "fs mutex"

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 6 Jun 2017
          Replying to @izs @wycats and

          Ah! Composer uses a .lock file, as well.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Jun 2017
          Replying to @izs @ZoltanKochan @PipoPeperoni

          Also pub, cocoapods. It's not limited to package managers I personally had a direct hand in.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 6 Jun 2017
          Replying to @wycats @izs and

          I don't feel strongly about it because it was my idea (I admit that it was arbitrary initially) but at this point it's the dominant idiom.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Kat Marchán‏ @maybekatz 7 Jun 2017
          Replying to @wycats @ZoltanKochan and

          .json was literally just the laziest alternative. We figured as long as people had 'lock' in the name, it'd be fine.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Kat Marchán‏ @maybekatz 7 Jun 2017
          Replying to @maybekatz @wycats and

          I don't particularly care for .lock because it doesn't clue in tools about how to highlight/parse the file. But that's not a *huge* deal, no

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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