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    1. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
      Replying to @wycats @satya164

      Saying ESM and CJS differ in ways that are problematic

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
      Replying to @bradleymeck @satya164

      Right, but CJS and script do as well. The .js extension has always been broad. Never implied semantics just "some kind of JS"

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
      Replying to @wycats @bradleymeck @satya164

      The reason node wants .mjs is not a new problem about diff semantics and the meaning of .js. It's about solving a problem Node has.

      3 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    4. Satyajit Sahoo‏ @satya164 10 May 2017
      Replying to @wycats @bradleymeck

      Is there a 0.1% chance that we could solve the plain js vs modules problem without a special extension and without perf penalties?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
      Replying to @satya164 @bradleymeck

      There's a 100% chance. @bradleymeck doesn't like it and will keep saying we've been over it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
      Replying to @wycats @satya164

      Whats the counter proposal? CTC has already seen Defense of .js and Unambiguous Grammar

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
      Replying to @bradleymeck @satya164

      "CTC has already seen" doesn't mean CTC is right. It means CTC is being stubborn.

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    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
      Replying to @wycats @bradleymeck @satya164

      And guess what. CTC has the power to be stubborn. But not to shut up the people who don't like .mjs.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
      Replying to @wycats @satya164

      I mean we are talking right now. Disagreeme t does not mean I will shut you up in any way

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
      Replying to @bradleymeck @satya164

      I'm not questioning the legitimacy of the CTC to make the decision. But the choice implies nothing about technical quality.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
      Replying to @wycats @bradleymeck @satya164

      1: It's too bad Node doesn't operate in a consensus-seeking fashion (or limits the seeking to elected reps?) because I still think

      7:17 PM - 10 May 2017
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        2. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
          Replying to @wycats @satya164

          I cant vote but CTC does seek quorum

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        3. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
          Replying to @bradleymeck @wycats @satya164

          Browser rollout certainly affected things, so did handoff without impl of standard

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
          Replying to @bradleymeck @satya164

          There is still a great deal of community concern about mjs. But it's screaming into the void because "The CTC Decides"

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
          Replying to @wycats @satya164

          Thats generally how most standards have worked from my perspective

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
          Replying to @bradleymeck @satya164

          The process of developing ESM involved a huge amount of discussion with node folks leading tohttp://blog.izs.me/post/25906678790/on-es-6-modules …

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
          Replying to @wycats @satya164

          But not about impl and rollout

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
          Replying to @wycats @bradleymeck @satya164

          2: there's a way to satisfy everyone's constraints. But all I hear is that the proposal I lobbed over the wall has been rejected.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 10 May 2017
          Replying to @wycats @bradleymeck @satya164

          3/3: As you know, many of us concerned about .mjs are open to conversation and compromise. But we're not in the room.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
          Replying to @wycats @satya164

          As stated before CTC meeting are open, even if you dont vote (like me)

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Dan Bucholtz‏ @danbucholtz 10 May 2017
          Replying to @bradleymeck @wycats @satya164

          My fear is .mjs leads to another fork. I don't think the alternative 'in defense of js' does. Maybe community vote is the answer here.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
          Replying to @danbucholtz @wycats @satya164

          I think informing the community goes pretty well. No one likes the conclusion, but it makes sense. Have to avoid knee jerk votes.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
          Replying to @bradleymeck @danbucholtz and

          .mjs doesn't mean "use module" or a package.json approach can't be added after. Core just doesn't plan for many ways to do things first iter

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Bradley Farias‏ @bradleymeck 10 May 2017
          Replying to @bradleymeck @danbucholtz and

          Each way you add to do it adds overall burden and division

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. End of conversation

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