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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017

      I strongly recognize both that I share the "community-centric view" and that I disagree with the "maintainer view"https://medium.com/@mikeal/maintainer-vs-community-97edc28387ad …

      4 replies 16 retweets 24 likes
    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      @mikeal has done a good job sussing out the worldviews of two perspectives that have been largely talking past each other. Oh, and 1/

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @mikeal

      "the truth is somewhere in between" is a very unhelpful response. They are largely mutually incompatible *value systems* 2/2

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    4. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek 18 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @mikeal

      There is a lot of dysfunction to unpack in the maintainer view. And for-profit companies should always be a third actor in the discourse.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek 18 Apr 2017
      Replying to @polotek @wycats @mikeal

      Basically unless the discourse becomes more nuanced, I don't expect much to happen here.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017
      Replying to @polotek @mikeal

      There are some projects that operate largely using the community POV (Rust, Ember are two I'm involved in). That's important, I think.

      6:03 PM - 18 Apr 2017
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        2. Marco Rogers‏ @polotek 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @mikeal

          Sure. I'm not making any value judgments. In this dichotomy, I prefer the community view. But doesn't necessarily address sustainability.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @polotek @mikeal

          Interesting. I agree with the for-profit corporation point. I find the maintainer view to be fundamentally incompatible with sustainability.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @polotek

          Me too, the maintainer view is like a worst case scenario of "sunk cost fallacy." As adoption increases the situation can only get worse.

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @mikeal @polotek

          to be honest, I mostly see my job as a maintainer as "chaos management" - keep the exponentially growing community productive.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        6. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @polotek

          the more flexibility you have to spend on pure community work the more compelled you are to grease the squeaky wheels nobody else can.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @mikeal @polotek

          yeah. My biggest mistakes on OSS have been under-investing in community empowerment. No amount of community empowerment is too much ime.

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        8. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @polotek

          mine is similar but basically the same, not realizing when i needed to intervene to empower people to take on leadership.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @mikeal @polotek

          I find that setting up 'quests' where maintainers write down the details of doing some small-but-annoying task pays massive dividends.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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        2. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @polotek

          Add to this list: Hoodie, Node.js (after 2015), and a bunch of smaller projects in the Node.js ecosystem doing "OPEN Open Source."

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @mikeal @polotek

          Rails and Postgres too, I think.

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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        2. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @polotek

          What I usually say is "money has an influence, you can either write down what that influence is or allow it run rampant in unintended ways."

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @mikeal @polotek

          I think it's ok if money is largely decentralized, as long as it's very clear how it works.

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        2. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @polotek

          I think there *are* solutions in the middle, but they offer incremental improvements to exponentially increasing workloads. Doomed to fail.

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        3. Sean Thomas Larkin (肖恩)‏ @TheLarkInn 18 Apr 2017
          Replying to @mikeal @wycats @polotek

          👀

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