@mikeal has done a good job sussing out the worldviews of two perspectives that have been largely talking past each other. Oh, and 1/
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"the truth is somewhere in between" is a very unhelpful response. They are largely mutually incompatible *value systems* 2/2
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There is a lot of dysfunction to unpack in the maintainer view. And for-profit companies should always be a third actor in the discourse.
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Basically unless the discourse becomes more nuanced, I don't expect much to happen here.
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There are some projects that operate largely using the community POV (Rust, Ember are two I'm involved in). That's important, I think.
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Sure. I'm not making any value judgments. In this dichotomy, I prefer the community view. But doesn't necessarily address sustainability.
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Interesting. I agree with the for-profit corporation point. I find the maintainer view to be fundamentally incompatible with sustainability.
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Me too, the maintainer view is like a worst case scenario of "sunk cost fallacy." As adoption increases the situation can only get worse.
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I kinda buy this dichotomy. Which you prefer seems to depend on which artifact you focus on: the software or the community itself.
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but since software ecosystems don't exist without community, the preference should be clear.
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Software ecosystems don't exist without maintainers either though
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Most software I prefer to use tends to have singular, highly-opinioned maintainers. I doubly prefer when it makes code evolve more _slowly_!
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Yes, this. Love slowly evolving code. Not natural for a community-based project though
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I kind of feel the opposite. Big centralized corp-directed projects usually have more volatility.
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This tweet does not make sense in the context of previous tweets to me
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How about: Maintainer = vendor and community = customer. Suddenly, this "discovery" becomes much more trivial.
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So glad that: 1. Someone articulated both sides clearly 2. Someone prominent came out in favor of community
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It's easy for someone that's not a prominent maintainer to come off as tone deaf when addressing these value propositions.
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And gosh, I feel like so many maintainers bear a world of responsibility on their shoulders unnecessarily. It's healthy to have others help
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