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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jlongster @MrFlopis

      If everyone agreed that JS code on the internet should be considered public and should never include authenticated content we'd agree 💯

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jlongster @MrFlopis

      That's my perspective, but lots of people continue to try to defend the "authenticated JS code" perspective, which is ridiculous.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. James Long‏ @jlongster 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @MrFlopis

      does that mean that JS code served to a page came from a secure place, or the contents that JS has in memory is secure?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @jlongster @MrFlopis

      It means content that contains secret data based on cookies or http auth headers.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. James Long‏ @jlongster 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @MrFlopis

      Again I *think* we're on the same page, but... isn't that every website? You login and it sets a cookie, and you're authenticated

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @jlongster @MrFlopis

      HTML content might contain secret data and is reasonably protected by SOP. JS content is poorly protected and shouldn't contain secrets.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jlongster @MrFlopis

      If your web app has require.registry or something like that and has authed secret content, any third party can get the AUTHED content.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jlongster @MrFlopis

      The only reasonable way to program in JS on the web is to keep secret content OUT of JS.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @jlongster @MrFlopis

      I think it would help if people working on web features generally understood this as the state of play.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. James Long‏ @jlongster 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @wycats @MrFlopis

      It seems hard to keep state out that comes from an authenticated source. Like... how do you build account-based apps?

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
      Replying to @jlongster @MrFlopis

      I don't mean that the JS can't *see* authed data, but rather than the JS shouldn't *contain* any.

      7:26 PM - 14 Apr 2017
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        1. James Long‏ @jlongster 14 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @MrFlopis

          Thanks for explaining! Yes I definitely agree about that. Original tweet didn't contain any, just saw it

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        2. James Long‏ @jlongster 14 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @MrFlopis

          I hadn't thought about that specific attack vector before

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
          Replying to @jlongster @MrFlopis

          to be clear I don't think anyone is directly, concretely and specifically making an argument for auth'ed modules, but it's a consequence 1/

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 14 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @jlongster @MrFlopis

          of some things people have said, and "WAT Y U REMOVE IMPORTANT WEB FEATURE" is an easy knee-jerk here. 2/2

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        1. Manuel Hernandez‏ @manuelhe 14 Apr 2017
          Replying to @wycats @jlongster @MrFlopis

          Does caching count?

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