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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

      they should be less ambitious, because their goals are just impossible. 2. once they're less ambitious, they will 2/

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

      realize that lower-ambition goals can be achieved with simpler tools. 3/

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

      The original sin of this line of reasoning is the creation of a bogus "emulating native" straw-man that justifies 4/

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

      dismissal of the entire category of tools that enable larger, more sophisticated, and more ambitious applications on 5/

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

      the web. But this line of reasoning simply fails to grapple with where these requirements *come from*, instead choosing 6/

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

      to disparage developers for "chasing shiny". The reality is that the web is a perfectly suitable place for ambitious, 7/

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

      sophisticated applications, and people who want to build those applications are tired of the barrage of shaming they are 8/

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    8. Adrian Holovaty‏Verified account @adrianholovaty 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats

      For the record, I agree with you about sophisticated web apps. :-) I've spent 4+ years building http://soundslice.com .

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @adrianholovaty

      awesome! I've spent four years on @skylight. The perception that @ppk is being taken out of context misses how corrosive 1/

      1 reply 2 retweets 7 likes
    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

      his full argument is. It's not new; it's the same as a blog post he wrote ages ago, but it amounts to shaming devs for 2/

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
      Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

      working on apps that don't fit into @ppk's definition of what a morally virtuous web app should be. So forgive me for not 3/

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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
          Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

          applauding his point of view, and for appreciating the significant pushback he's getting. As framework authors, I believe 4/

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
          Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

          we have a responsibility to stand up for the idea of empowerment through abstraction. For the people like @tomdale and 5/

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
          Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

          me who never could get into software until we had the kind of allegedly bad tools that arguments like this one bemoan. 6/

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
          Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

          in my view, the fact that many people can get into programming without full view of the whole picture is a tremendous 7/

          1 reply 3 retweets 26 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
          Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

          achievement, and one that both of us dedicated large parts of our careers to. It's that legacy that's under fire by this 8/

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
          Replying to @wycats @adrianholovaty

          argument, and the gains in empowerment are what's at stake in my view. 9/9

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        8. Adrian Holovaty‏Verified account @adrianholovaty 11 Feb 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          All makes sense to me — thanks for articulating that. I just wish we could have a conversation *anywhere* other than Twitter. :-)

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 11 Feb 2017
          Replying to @adrianholovaty

          sorry :(

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        1. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 11 Feb 2017
          Replying to @wycats

          it's so bizarre to me this pining desire to take web dev backward to simpler times. I just don't comprehend it. @adrianholovaty

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