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    1. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @samth

      Re adoption "syntax vs semantics" is myopic; have to understand tech in context

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @littlecalculist

      I know we disagree here, but I genuinely think no one knows anything about PL adoption (except that everyone hates lisp :).

      3 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
    3. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @samth

      like, do you think we have zero clues about how JS became popular?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @littlecalculist

      I would say mandatory use increases popularity (by definition), but also that we don't know why Node took off when it did.

      5 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @samth

      but anyway "mandatory usage" is a sufficient example. We know a lot about adoption!

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @littlecalculist

      I think "more people use something after they're forced to use it" is knowing very little.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @samth

      so, how many things we know about adoption should we tweet till you agree they add up to more than "very little?" :P

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @littlecalculist

      Other things we think of as good for adoption (like performance) correlate much less well with actual adoption.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @samth

      the right conclusion is not "nothing about the tech affects human behavior"

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    10. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @littlecalculist

      I think that's the wrong conclusion, but "we don't know what aspects of the tech affect human behavior" is the right one.

      4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2016
      Replying to @samth @littlecalculist

      is psychology pseudoscience? economics? or can we admit we can have science about human factors?

      8:39 AM - 16 Dec 2016
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        2. David S Herm-kins‏ @littlecalculist 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth

          moreover, science isn't the only valid form of knowledge, and practical experience can coroutine with scientific study.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @littlecalculist @samth

          there's some kind of circle or spiral that is related to this, right?

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. End of conversation
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        2. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @wycats @littlecalculist

          Of course we can. I just think that in this area we don't know much. Not claiming knowledge is impossible.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @samth @littlecalculist

          we know a lot, but academic PL likes to believe we don't. Might explain something about adoption of PL ideas...

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth @littlecalculist

          honestly, I'm baffled by the fact that you believe that this is a mystery. Is there something tribal about it?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth @littlecalculist

          or are you pushing back against some ACTUAL pseudoscience in the academic sphere?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth @littlecalculist

          I would be willing to make falsifiable claims about technology adoption and attach probabilities to them.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 16 Dec 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth @littlecalculist

          I'd be wrong in precise terms, but much better than total noise.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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