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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @Gankro

      you haven't had intermittent test failures on CI?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @wycats @Gankro

      anyway, you don't have to agree with me. I changed my mind after years of agreeing with you and seeing costs slowly shift.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Alexis Beingessner‏ @Gankro 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      I'm saying there's basically zero impact of intermittent failures for small projects. I can run it like 5 times in a mins to be sure

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Alexis Beingessner‏ @Gankro 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @Gankro @wycats

      they suck EGGS for large projects because it's like "well crap there goes another hour"

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @Gankro

      it has nothing to do with running it 5 times. It has to do with reproducing the failure in an env that has a debugger.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Alexis Beingessner‏ @Gankro 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      CI spews the exact numbers: https://travis-ci.org/rust-lang-nursery/regex/jobs/176188633#L228-L243 …

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Alexis Beingessner‏ @Gankro 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @Gankro @wycats

      if you want a more ergonomic experience: set up the defaults so CI will literally output a lock file in the logs.

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    8. Alexis Beingessner‏ @Gankro 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @Gankro @wycats

      making CI stagnant, when machines have infinite capacity for vigilance, is a bad solution to reproducing CI results.

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @Gankro

      consistent developer experience is worth a lot. making community defaults "run cargo update" isn't hard.

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    10. Alexis Beingessner‏ @Gankro 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      yes, your new dev argument is reasonable. But it comes at the cost of bad CI policy.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Dec 2016
      Replying to @Gankro

      as I said, it's very easy to make the "default experience" for Travis to include a `cargo update` on one row. Let's do it?

      11:34 PM - 5 Dec 2016
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        2. Alexis Beingessner‏ @Gankro 5 Dec 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          that ship has completely sailed? You can't change the defaults, and you're not going to change the CI configs of the world.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Dec 2016
          Replying to @Gankro

          what goes into travis.yml in a new Cargo project is easy to control.

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