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    1. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @mikeal

      This has become everyone's go to lazy reasoning for not sufficiently abstracting complexity into understandable components.

      1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
    2. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @mikeal

      I'm not saying that big teams and large scale don't have their own needs but that's never a good excuse for presenting end users with a mess

      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    3. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @mikeal

      Needing a particular feature is only a good excuse for adding complexity if nobody else has that feature presented in a simpler way.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    4. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @mikeal

      If you think a feature is impossible to do without loading up users with complexity, you're wrong. Evidence: Entire history of computing.

      2 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @mikeal

      there's always a few critical pieces of coordination. go get doesn't prove npm is overly complex.

      1 reply 2 retweets 2 likes
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @wycats @mikeal

      a good test is whether the"at scale" argument comes along with "also makes it easy for beginners and bootstrapping"

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      exactly. half the the time "at scale" means "when a week long on-boarding into our stack is common."

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @mikeal

      yeah. "beginners through advanced users can all use this" needs some glue, but less than astronauts believe.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @wycats @mikeal

      but also, apps built with no-stack can end up with longer onboarding 🤔

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      on a long enough timeline "no stack" becomes "crazy custom stack we have glued together just for this app"

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Nov 2016
      Replying to @mikeal

      right, which is sorta what people who are doing it right mean by "scale"

      12:51 PM - 26 Nov 2016
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats @mikeal

          we need a better term because "scale" has too much architecture astronaut glued onto it.

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats @mikeal

          I think nobody would disagree that npm "scales" better than go get.

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        4. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 26 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          i do think we need a better word but it's hard to beat a word that means so many different things people identify with.

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Nov 2016
          Replying to @mikeal

          "scale" is abused and "framework" is now a term of derision ;)

          1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats @mikeal

          ecosystem scale is not something people carefully consider. (you wrote some good stuff on this back in the day that got me thinking)

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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