I don't think we're (in the UK at least) under any illusion
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I know people know, but almost every convo I've had with Europeans on spying has fingered the US as the primary threat.
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And yes, we know the US is a threat. But the ACLU has a better success rate than the equivalent UK efforts.
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So (1) donate to the ACLU, but (2) get real about how bad spying is across the world.
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@Independent very different from spying on head of states of ally nations. Also UK != europe. -
I'd love to see some German or French folks complaining as loudly abt these UK things as they do about US stuff.
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it's all bad. Donate to the ACLU and fight. But this stuff sails though in UK. Where's the UK ACLU?
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The relation the UK (or any country in Europe for that matter) has to the EU is not like the states have in the US.
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yeah but I rarely hear Germans bemoaning spying in the UK like the kvetching about the US.
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is there a UK ACLU?
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it doesn't make the US spying any less worrying. Just adds another thing to worry about
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The US spying is very worrying, but focusing on "the US" as a uniquely bad actor is doing damage to the cause.
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It's not that US is a bad actor.It's just that their actions have give governments world over an excuse to do the same with impunity
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You give us too much credit.
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I also give the US a lot of credit for all the wonderful things that it is responsible for, fwiw
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they are not Europeans but British. ;-)
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they are for now! But generally wish to see more self criticalness among people who criticize US, and effort to block.
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pretty sure this wouldn’t pass European Court of Justice scrutiny; they’re counting on Brexit for its continued survival.
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yeah
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