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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @eevee @Gankro

      admitting that Python made fatal compat mistakes and committing to fixing them (loudly and clearly) is important.

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    2.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @wycats @Gankro

      i think it's pretty obvious that the transition did not go as smoothly as was intended

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @eevee @wycats @Gankro

      but every release of py3 has done something to try to improve that, and there's not that much left

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @eevee @wycats @Gankro

      py3 is finally in a pretty decent place these last few years, and it took a lot of work to get us here

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @eevee @wycats @Gankro

      what would you have them do, re-break compatibility with python 3 to be more compatible with python 2?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @eevee @Gankro

      no, backport more to 2.7, and reverse some of the breaking changes based on the biggest adoption blockers.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @wycats @eevee @Gankro

      simple example: restore support for the old-style print statement.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @wycats @Gankro

      new-style print is already supported in 2.6+ and is one of the easiest things to translate automatically

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @eevee @Gankro

      auto-translation wouldn't have worked for Rails and hasn't worked for Python. Single codebase is important.

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    10.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @wycats @Gankro

      it IS single codebase. print() works in both python 2 and python 3.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @eevee @Gankro

      I'd ask the Django folks what would help, but the philosophy of "don't try to maintain one codebase" (in the docs) 1/

      8:41 PM - 23 Nov 2016
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats @eevee @Gankro

          actually does reflect the status quo wrt Django, which is in fact slowing adoption down quite a bit. 2/

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats @eevee @Gankro

          I won't speculate anymore, but would love to hear from them. 3/3

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        4.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          django has been single-codebase py2+py3 for years. it uses a modified bundled version of the six library

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        5.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @eevee @wycats

          also, a huge blocker on single-codebase was just waiting for both py2.5 and py3.1 to phase out

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        6.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @eevee @wycats

          targeting 2.7 and 3.3/3.4+ is orders of magnitude easier than 2.5+ and 3.0+

          1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
        7.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @eevee @wycats

          also honestly it seems a little obnoxious to drop "hey this didn't go so well" eight years in, like it hadn't occurred to anyone

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        8.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @eevee @wycats

          and then cite docs unchanged since 3.0 and one of the most easily-ported features

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9.  🎃 🍂 eevee  🍂 🎃‏ @eevee 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @eevee @wycats

          even the string changes aren't that big of a problem, since most py2 codebases try to be careful about bytes/text anyway

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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