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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016

      Defenders of Py3: 30% is a pitiful amount of adoption for the amount of time that has passed. That doesn't mean the game is over, but 1/

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      you need to admit that things aren't going so well and commit to substantive changes to change the game at this point. 2/

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016

      Ruby 1.9.0 came out around the same time as Py3. Ruby 1.9.2 around the same time as Py3.2. They're analogous. Rails 3 shipped at the 3/

      8:21 PM - 23 Nov 2016
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          same time as Ruby 1.9.2 (same week) and already had full support for Ruby 1.9.2. For reference, Ruby, like Python, made a major String 4/

          1 reply 2 retweets 3 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          change in Ruby 1.9, which moved Strings from "bags of bytes" to codepoints with tagged encoding, which means good UTF-8 support 5/

          1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          the difference is that Ruby did a lot to keep the new String compatible with old String (BINARY encoding and compat hax for just-ASCII 6/

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          Strings), which meant a decent amount of encoding weirdness for a little bit, but, in the long-term, a smooth-enough transition. 7/

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          The summary of the difference is this: In Ruby, it was possible to write a full shim library that worked in both 1.8 and 1.9 for 8/

          2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          everything that we needed in Rails (I wrote a large amount of it and did a lot of the encoding work in Rails 3). In contrast, Py3.0 9/

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          shipped syntactic changes that were mutually exclusive with Py2.x. This made it impossible for Django to use the shim approach we 10/

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          used in Rails, and which got us on the "latest Ruby" train literally as early as was plausible. If you want to disagree with this 11/

          1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
        10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          analysis, you need to find an explanation for the wide difference in OUTCOMES between Py3 and Ruby1.9. Again, encodings ain't it. 12/12

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        2. Nikola Đipanov‏ @djipko_ns 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          not sure what 30% adoption means, but 🐍is used in way more places than ruby, which is mostly fast moving web dev (rails really)

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @djipko_ns

          I was just citing @eevee, who accepted Zed's claim of 30% without disagreement.

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        2. Alexis Beingessner‏ @Gankro 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          *cough* Github's fork *cough*

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Nov 2016
          Replying to @Gankro

          of course the existence of a single fork in a large ecosystem says very little about overall adoption characteristics.

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