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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @samth

      I think you're cheating quite a bit re JSON. Recall that the JSON spec intentionally elides semantics, therefore no infoset.

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    2. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      I was just having this argument today. Lack of semantics is both simpler and a necessary part of JSON's success.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @samth

      lack of semantics gives you Worse is Better but it's a shell game around simplicity.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      No, lack of semantics lets you choose your own semantics. Like untyped languages let you choose your own type system.

      2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @samth

      works fine until GitHub chooses it's semantics and "simple" Ember code has to decide what to do with it.

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @wycats @samth

      JSON is used in public APIs with general purpose clients.

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    7. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      Sure, that's what's hard about not having semantics.

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    8. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @samth @wycats

      But it's the API that doesn't specify the semantics, not JSON. They were just pretending that JSON did the job for them.

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @samth

      and boom goes the dynamite.

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    10. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      But doing it in XML wouldn't help. Number encoding issues don't go away when you pretend numbers don't exist.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
      Replying to @samth

      at least you're honest.

      10:14 PM - 26 Oct 2016
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth

          check this outhttps://github.com/rails/rails/issues/25017 …

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        3. Bob Ippolito‏ @etrepum 26 Oct 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth

          that just looks like a Ruby library doing the wrong thing. You don't need JSON or XML to find more examples of that.

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
          Replying to @etrepum @samth

          read closer. :)

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        5. Bob Ippolito‏ @etrepum 26 Oct 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth

          I read it, this is just the kind of hole that gets dug when code makes class-global decisions, as is often the case in Ruby.

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        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
          Replying to @etrepum @samth

          it can be configured per instance. The person didn't want that. Configuring json per stringify is hardly simple.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Bob Ippolito‏ @etrepum 26 Oct 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth

          it's not the encoding's fault that the library works this way

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        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 26 Oct 2016
          Replying to @etrepum @samth

          the library has to choose something and there's no good answer. No good default argues against "trivial xform to many langs"

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        9. Bob Ippolito‏ @etrepum 26 Oct 2016
          Replying to @wycats @samth

          sure, the real answer to that original problem is to have a library that understands the domain. No different than with XML.

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        1. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 26 Oct 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          I dunno, that doesn't seem any more honest to me.

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