we all have work to do and we're on the same side. Let's act like it.
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when was the last time we nine sliced for rounded corners? We embraced the platform!
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but I love tools and I think they will always play a critical role on the web.

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there's just way more costs than benefits to trying to push much harder than adoption realities
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you can try to nudge, but if you shove, people will shove back.
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what are you two arguing about? or is there a link that explains this issue? (genuine q)
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it's pretty meta, unfortunately :( /cc
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well, outside perspective that I hope is relevant: the only website thing I care...
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...about is 1) fast? 2) doesn't steal info? satisfy those two needs and you're golden
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there's a third one: can mere mortals implement it.
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