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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @awbjs

      @awbjs fwiw my arguments are narrow.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      @awbjs as far as the spec is concerned TCO is "unobservable" therefore JSC does not need to revert it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats yes, but ES6 had good reasons for including PTC and removing that from the spec would be a significant regression

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @awbjs

      @awbjs I'm not in favor of removal but I am in favor of reality. Implementor revolt is a risk of the pre-ES2016 process.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats we expected push back from some impls. That's why it's in the spec. Shouldn't consider folding on first such push back. Test of time

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @awbjs

      @awbjs that reasoning is a holdover from ES2015 process. I don't think it holds up anymore. But I agree that the consensus DOES exist.

      1 reply 2 retweets 3 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      @awbjs and we should make people work hard to establish a new consensus, not just let them retroactively veto.

      1 reply 2 retweets 2 likes
    8. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats there is no retroactive veto. Removal from spec requires a new consensus which in this case I doubt is achievable. PTC is part of ES

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @awbjs

      @awbjs I agree that it requires a new consensus. I think they're trying to get one :)

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    10. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats yup and one significant member has said enough to suggest it isn't likely to happen

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
      Replying to @awbjs

      @awbjs they should also be held to the standards of rigor we hold any other decision to.

      6:08 PM - 12 Apr 2016 from Colorado, USA
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          @awbjs just because it's a new consensus doesn't mean someone can make claims that aren't true and expect us to go along.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Allen Wirfs-Brock‏ @awbjs 12 Apr 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats I'm losing track of the indirect opaque references and not going to be decided here. But the pot did need a little stiring.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
          Replying to @awbjs

          @awbjs the claim that there's an interop with removal issue because JSC already impl'ed is either wrong or missing significant detail.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          @awbjs that doesn't mean we can remove. But if it's the best the pro-keeping camp has, it doesn't move me.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          @awbjs they'd have better success arguing on the merits of the feature than making process objections based on inaccurate claims.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 12 Apr 2016
          Replying to @wycats

          @awbjs it would not be hard to avoid a new anti-PTC consensus just by arguing for PTC strongly.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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