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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 7 Dec 2015

    Strongly disliking that we describe engineers with 2 years coding + (a theoretical physics degree | 10 years as an artist) as "junior"

    9:15 AM - 7 Dec 2015
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      2. Iheanyi Ekechukwu‏ @kwuchu 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats >_< I always have beef with that "junior" classification. We got into a debate the other day about what classifies people as junior.

        3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @kwuchu

        @kwuchu All of the people I interviewed so far for the @tildeio job would be classified as "junior" but they all have something amazing

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. Iheanyi Ekechukwu‏ @kwuchu 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats I can believe that. I always get classified as Junior by others but I don't feel like a Junior engineer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Benjamin Boorowski  👻‏ @typeoneerror 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @kwuchu

        @kwuchu @wycats can you remove "junior" from the title and focus on results wanted? or is that an HR req?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Iheanyi Ekechukwu‏ @kwuchu 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @typeoneerror

        @typeoneerror @wycats Probably an HR requirement so they cna know the pay ranges or whatever.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @kwuchu

        @kwuchu @typeoneerror but experience in art, math, teaching, etc. are all hugely useful in your job as a developer!

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Benjamin Boorowski  👻‏ @typeoneerror 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats this fine arts grad would tend to agree. my skill-set is weird and wacky compared to CS students. good for business.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @typeoneerror

        @typeoneerror YEP!

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      10. End of conversation
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      2. Amy Hendrix‏ @sabreuse 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats The career switchers I know are the most amazing engineers -- largely *because* of those physics and art (and...) experiences.

        5 replies 14 retweets 16 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @sabreuse

        @sabreuse EXACTLY

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. patrick  🐓‏ @pcanella 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats just a management ploy to pay them less. So irritating

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @pcanella

        @pcanella it may be a ploy but it's ingrained.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 8 Dec 2015
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats For comparison, I'm still a junior faculty member (and for 3 more years).

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 8 Dec 2015
        Replying to @samth

        @samth and you co-invented 1js!

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Kevin Attfield‏ @KevinAttfield 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats as a developer who has about 5 years of coding experience (and a theoretical physics degree) I can now see just how junior I was.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @KevinAttfield

        @KevinAttfield But there may be people with 10 years experience who are 'junior' in math. ;)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Kevin Attfield‏ @KevinAttfield 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats agree very much. I just think that orthogonal experiences exist. Someone can be a valuable teammate who writes terrible code.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Nathan Ladd‏ @realntl 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @KevinAttfield

        @KevinAttfield @wycats if that's the case, why not move them to a non-contributing role?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Kevin Attfield‏ @KevinAttfield 7 Dec 2015
        Replying to @realntl

        @realntl @wycats sorry, "terrible" in the context of experience. The problem is that the word we use, junior, has such negative connotations

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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