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    1. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats I'm doing my best to read generously for a more productive conversation.

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @bitemyapp

      @bitemyapp monads are usually used *in place of* constructs that are non-local and create annoying global protocols.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats What is non-local about this? This is very common.pic.twitter.com/y0H1QDwQ6V

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @bitemyapp

      @bitemyapp what would this look like in a non-monadic style?

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    5. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycatspic.twitter.com/3sgYv2ZuVr

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @bitemyapp

      @bitemyapp and what is the benefit of writing that code in a monadic style as opposed to the non-monadic style?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats abstraction mostly. Pretty frequently I find myself in a situation where I know _some_ monad will be involved but don't know what.

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    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @bitemyapp

      @bitemyapp "I know I need some monad but not which" is question-begging.

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    9. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats it's...not? We abstract over unknown, polymorphic Monads all the time in Haskell. It's like...one of The Things we're known for.

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
      Replying to @bitemyapp

      @bitemyapp It's question-begging because the question is 'what are monads useful for'

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015

      @bitemyapp The answer is not "they're useful for all the places they're useful for, and we use them all the time"

      9:49 PM - 23 Oct 2015
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        2. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats I think I understand the problem now.pic.twitter.com/ObkmGfRejs

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        3. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @bitemyapp

          @wycats the problem is that you're struggling with the fact that an abstract interface has no specific "meaning" or application.

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        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @bitemyapp

          @bitemyapp Abstract interfaces are useful when they can be applied.

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        5. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats I just got done showing you a bunch of applications, so what are you trying to say?

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        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @bitemyapp

          @bitemyapp you're way too obsessed with whether people "truly understand"

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        7. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats Don't think I'd be 912 pages into a book for learning Haskell, or spent the last couple years teaching Haskell if I wasn't.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @bitemyapp

          @bitemyapp understanding is not binary

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats c'mon. Be nice. You know I know that. You're better than that.

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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @bitemyapp Nor is the answer limited to "they're useful for situations that are described by the math"

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        3. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats please stop with the math thing. You're othering when you do that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @bitemyapp

          @wycats I have no undergraduate degree, no understanding of mathematics. It's just types/laws, which is just code.

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 23 Oct 2015
          Replying to @bitemyapp

          @bitemyapp Types and Laws are a kind of math, but I'm not othering. I say "math" with respect, a la https://terrytao.wordpress.com/career-advice/there%E2%80%99s-more-to-mathematics-than-rigour-and-proofs/ …

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