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    1. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 1 Aug 2015
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      @wycats @jeffkibuule @tomdale no, just odd, they did get much higher Kraken and Octane numbers (2x) with Edge but nothing for Ember :(

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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 1 Aug 2015
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      @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale safari is still the king of real-world perf.

      2 replies 9 retweets 10 likes
    3. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 1 Aug 2015
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats @jeffkibuule @tomdale super weird that Edge is massively faster in so many JS benchmarks. But in Ember? Literally same as ie11 perf.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 1 Aug 2015
      Replying to @codinghorror

      @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale the benchmarks don't reflect perf in any framework ime

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    5. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale so you either need to rewrite Ember or persuade VM people that Ember coding style is reasonable

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
      Replying to @mraleph

      @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale and *that* my friend, is why jsc performs better on real world code than v8.

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    7. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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      @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale whether or not it does perform better on ALL REAL WORLD code is an open question.

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    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
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      @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale use safari; idea that "Ember optimizations" are penalizing the "real world" isn't reflected

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    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
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      @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale "we can't optimize Ember without breaking 'reasonable code'" is moralizing and an excuse

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    10. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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      @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale well, as I said - I was quote some one else's words,

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
      Replying to @mraleph

      @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale yes, but you are not the first to quote it, and I am asking you to be less credulous.

      7:51 AM - 2 Aug 2015
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        2. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale [but this is all hypothetical stuff]

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        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
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          @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale frameworks use warnings and patterns to force good style. VMs just silently punish.

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        4. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale well, that's separate question, yes tooling is missing, yes it mustn't be missing.

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        1. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale ... you don't want to make VMs too complicate to deal with insane patterns.

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        1. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale and I do belive that there must be balance between what people write and what VM can run fast

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        1. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale you select a reasonable one. same with VM, just different level.

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        1. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale you don't try to make your framework support all kinds of programming styles

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        1. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale you are framework author, you should understand that.

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        1. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale unfortunately I don't have time for that, so I have to accept what V8 people tell me

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        1. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale the only way for me to be less "credulous" is to go and dig into it falls apart and then fix it

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