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    1. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 31 Jul 2015

      I expected better JS perf, Edge. Disappoint.

      6 replies 13 retweets 27 likes
    2. Joefrey Kibuule, MD‏ @jeffkibuule 31 Jul 2015
      Replying to @codinghorror

      @codinghorror I’d be interested to see what the IE11 numbers were on the same machine.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 31 Jul 2015
      Replying to @jeffkibuule

      @jeffkibuule should be worse, why wouldn't it?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 1 Aug 2015
      Replying to @codinghorror

      @jeffkibuule it is funny I did test this last night and Ember is *identical* in perf on IE11 and Edge. Very sad. Cc: @tomdale @wycats

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 1 Aug 2015
      Replying to @codinghorror

      @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale are you saying there's something we should be doing to take advantage of Edge better?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 1 Aug 2015
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats @jeffkibuule @tomdale no, just odd, they did get much higher Kraken and Octane numbers (2x) with Edge but nothing for Ember :(

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 1 Aug 2015
      Replying to @codinghorror

      @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale safari is still the king of real-world perf.

      2 replies 9 retweets 10 likes
    8. Jeff Atwood‏Verified account @codinghorror 1 Aug 2015
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats @jeffkibuule @tomdale super weird that Edge is massively faster in so many JS benchmarks. But in Ember? Literally same as ie11 perf.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 1 Aug 2015
      Replying to @codinghorror

      @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale the benchmarks don't reflect perf in any framework ime

      10:58 PM - 1 Aug 2015
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        2. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale so you either need to rewrite Ember or persuade VM people that Ember coding style is reasonable

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @mraleph

          @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale and *that* my friend, is why jsc performs better on real world code than v8.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale whether or not it does perform better on ALL REAL WORLD code is an open question.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @mraleph

          @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale use safari; idea that "Ember optimizations" are penalizing the "real world" isn't reflected

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale "we can't optimize Ember without breaking 'reasonable code'" is moralizing and an excuse

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale it affects not just Ember but other real world code.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @mraleph @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale it's not the VM's job to decide what is reasonable, only what is common (StrongScript O_o)

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale it's all about which coding style you optimize for and which coding style is common.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Rick Waldron‏ @rwaldron 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @mraleph

          @mraleph @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale browsers should optimize for common frameworks, as well as showy benchmarks

          4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @rwaldron

          @rwaldron @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale maybe yes, or maybe frameworks should be written in a reasonable way?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Tom Dale‏ @tomdale 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @mraleph

          @mraleph @rwaldron @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule Safari runs our tests 2x as fast as Chrome, maybe you should try what they're doing?

          10 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
        6. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @tomdale

          @tomdale @rwaldron @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule however as I said I only heard about that, and did not look myself, so that's that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @mraleph

          @mraleph @tomdale @rwaldron @codinghorror @jeffkibuule Safari is faster at all kinds of real world code, not just Ember.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @mraleph @tomdale @rwaldron @codinghorror @jeffkibuule I think you're being too credulous @ the idea that there is "reasonable" code style

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @mraleph @tomdale @rwaldron @codinghorror @jeffkibuule it's good way for v8 to excuse their slowness but again jsc is fast across the board

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale if you look at common benchmarks they are written in different way from how ember is.

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        1. Vyacheslav Egorov‏ @mraleph 2 Aug 2015
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          @wycats @codinghorror @jeffkibuule @tomdale it depends on how framework is written vs. how benchmarks are written

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