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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Dec 2014

      The lack of frameworks in node is not a community choice, it is a technical limitation of npm.

      19 replies 39 retweets 57 likes
    2.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 17 Dec 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats Particularly I don't think there's a place for frameworks in computer programming, but I don't see how npm limits them.

      3 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Dec 2014
      Replying to @robotlolita

      @robotlolita frameworks are a cluster of modules that want a single instance of all deps, not dups of shared dependencies.

      4 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    4.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 17 Dec 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats I don't think it's the job of npm to do that, but rather how frameworks should be structured. See work on Newspeak on this.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Dec 2014
      Replying to @robotlolita

      @robotlolita It's not something that frameworks can do on their own without major hacks analogous to #ifdef.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 17 Dec 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats Parametric modules. Node's modules are really a great fit for that pattern, and it works great in Newspeak (heavy OO lang)

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Dec 2014
      Replying to @robotlolita

      @robotlolita #ifdef is a loose analogy.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 17 Dec 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats My point is that it doesn't add any burden on framework authors, only on code that calls them. It's generic, not ad-hoc.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Dec 2014
      Replying to @robotlolita

      @robotlolita it requires all framework modules to create another level in each module so they become generative and parameterized.

      11:41 AM - 17 Dec 2014
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        2.  👻 Pastel*Quil¹³  👻‏ @robotlolita 17 Dec 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats That's a valid concern, I guess. I don't really see it as a burden, but people's mileages may vary.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. ghost mountain‏ @mountain_ghosts 17 Dec 2014
          Replying to @robotlolita

          @robotlolita @wycats This thread reads to me as 'npm precludes modules from assuming implicit global state', which seems fine to me.

          3 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Dec 2014
          Replying to @mountain_ghosts

          @jcoglan @robotlolita It seems fine to you, and that is an explicit technical decision.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. ghost mountain‏ @mountain_ghosts 17 Dec 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats @robotlolita What I mean is that npm's design has, with hindsight, improved the design of my programs.

          2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Dec 2014
          Replying to @mountain_ghosts

          @jcoglan @robotlolita Let's take this offline and maybe you can help me see how to ship Ember as a series of idiomatic modules.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Jake Verbaten‏ @Raynos 17 Dec 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats @jcoglan @robotlolita do you have a github issue tracking progress ?

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 17 Dec 2014
          Replying to @Raynos

          @Raynos @jcoglan @robotlolita No but we will today.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Jake Verbaten‏ @Raynos 17 Dec 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats @jcoglan @robotlolita cool, would love to help. Have suffered small modules + framework hell too

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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