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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014

      Paradox of choosing "progress" over "stability" is that it actually slows things down. Both is harder, but the only way to sustained speed.

      8 replies 28 retweets 33 likes
    2. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats that statement seems logically incoherent. are you saying that you can get both without any tradeoffs? if so, then there's no choice

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @raggi

      @raggi there are always tradeoffs, but these are implementation difficulty. And yes, there is no choice.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats so what's the paradox?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @raggi

      @raggi the paradox is that people try to increase speed by chucking compat but just succeed in slowing down the ecosystem.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats that's a very gross generalization, there are plenty of counter cases

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @raggi

      @raggi what are some? Rails 3 worked insanely hard on compat, for example.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats in longer history, a lot of major shifts in common APIs. equally, there are plenty of fail cases too, e.g. python

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @raggi

      @raggi the fail cases are predominant. Success is rampant: C++, ObjC, Java 8, Ruby 1.9.2. 100% compat not required; just incremental moves

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats if it was possible to break the pointer API restrictions in MRI, the GC could improve 10x or more

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
      Replying to @raggi

      @raggi MRI is doing this incrementally. Shady objects. Move the community. This is what I'm talking about.

      12:25 PM - 31 Oct 2014
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        2. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats spreading out breakage over many many years only hides it. pretending that isn't actually happening as a result is a fallacy

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
          Replying to @raggi

          @raggi big deny. Communities move at their own pace. Rush it and you fail.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats i agree it's important to manage community workload, and if you put too much on, people walk. but that happens anyway, e.g. ruby

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        1. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats that long slow breakage pattern is exactly why I dont' depend on any dynlang for software that i plan to run for 10+ years

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