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    Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014

    Paradox of choosing "progress" over "stability" is that it actually slows things down. Both is harder, but the only way to sustained speed.

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      2. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats that statement seems logically incoherent. are you saying that you can get both without any tradeoffs? if so, then there's no choice

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @raggi

        @raggi there are always tradeoffs, but these are implementation difficulty. And yes, there is no choice.

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      4. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats so what's the paradox?

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      5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @raggi

        @raggi the paradox is that people try to increase speed by chucking compat but just succeed in slowing down the ecosystem.

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      6. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats that's a very gross generalization, there are plenty of counter cases

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      7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @raggi

        @raggi what are some? Rails 3 worked insanely hard on compat, for example.

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      8. James Tucker‏ @raggi 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats in longer history, a lot of major shifts in common APIs. equally, there are plenty of fail cases too, e.g. python

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      9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @raggi

        @raggi the fail cases are predominant. Success is rampant: C++, ObjC, Java 8, Ruby 1.9.2. 100% compat not required; just incremental moves

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      2. Luca Guidi‏ @jodosha 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats i assume you’re talking about Rust. IMO The main reason behind the poor adoption is the instability of the lang.

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @jodosha

        @jodosha 1.0 gets us to stability, and trains bring compatible progress. Agree on reason for poor adoption.

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      4. Luca Guidi‏ @jodosha 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @wycats

        @wycats stability as policy made me really happy. Looking forward to use it in combination w/ Ruby.

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      2. Andreas Hennie‏ @andreashennie 31 Oct 2014
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        @wycats both is slower and less stable?

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      3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 31 Oct 2014
        Replying to @andreashennie

        @andreashennie both is rhythmic improvements that help users transition without rewrites.

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      1. Axel Rauschmayer‏ @rauschma 31 Oct 2014
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        @wycats Right. Small incremental steps protect you from doing too many things at once.

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      1. Peter Goldstein‏ @petergoldstein 31 Oct 2014
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        @wycats And progress on implementation/internals subsequently makes it easier to update contracts/interfaces in a versioned manner (2/2)

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      1. Peter Goldstein‏ @petergoldstein 31 Oct 2014
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        @wycats It's really more that "stability" in contracts/interfaces allows rapid progress on implementation and internals. (1/2)

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      1. Sreenath Nannat‏ @sreenathnannat 31 Oct 2014
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        @wycats, Going to sleep with the same realization!! Goodnight(IST here..).

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      1. Jeff Whelpley‏ @jeffwhelpley 31 Oct 2014
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        @wycats you may be right BUT I like when two parties try diff strategies. Get to compare progress side by side.

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