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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Sep 2014

      @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo Because like it or not, people actually *do* impute that to 1.0.0. This is what @izs has discovered imo.

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    2. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 20 Sep 2014
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo The spec says that 0.x.y versions are not semantic. What I discovered is that the spec is wrong.

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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Sep 2014
      Replying to @izs

      @izs @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo Given that the spec is wrong, do you agree that 1.0.0+ should be reserved for "not gonna break so soon"?

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    4. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 20 Sep 2014
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      @wycats @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo No, I think that version changes are temporally agnostic.

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Sep 2014
      Replying to @izs

      @izs @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo Why create a second system to mean something that is easy to express with the current system. What's the win?

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    6. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 20 Sep 2014
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      @wycats @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo I don't know what 2 systems you're referring to. versions have never been time-related.

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    7. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 20 Sep 2014
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      @wycats @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo Node people fear 1.0 because Node version 5 still has a 0.10 version number.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Sep 2014
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      @izs @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo Try to think about WHY people think they want 1.0. It's not just psychological.

      5:11 PM - 20 Sep 2014
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        2. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 20 Sep 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo but versions DON'T come out all the time, and DON'T break a lot.

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        3. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 20 Sep 2014
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          @wycats @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo In fact, node core is MORE strict than semver! v0.10.0 has the *same API surface* as v0.10.30.

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        4. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 20 Sep 2014
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          @wycats @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo If Node did SemVer: 0.2.x -> 1.0.x 0.3.x -> 2.0.0-x 0.4.x -> 2.0.x 0.5.x -> 3.0.0-x 0.6.x -> 3.0.x etc

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Sep 2014
          Replying to @izs

          @izs @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo Don't think so. Only the last few minor versions have slowed down breakage, delta between versions.

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        6. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 20 Sep 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats @othiym23 @ljharb @seldo Only counting even minors here. 0.2.x was API frozen, only bugfixes landed. 0.11 is all break all the time

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        7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Sep 2014
          Replying to @izs

          @izs I suspect a bunch of us getting together and talking this out would be reasonably productive. Cargo doubles down on compat guarantees.

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        8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 20 Sep 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @izs I suspect it will be easier to enforce with a typed language. Most of them time, if you violate semver, code won't compile.

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        9. isaacspooky  💙 💜 💖 🏳️‍🌈‏Verified account @izs 20 Sep 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats I still maintain that explicit range syntax is safer. If you say you want 1.6.3, get that. If you want guessing, use ^ to opt-in.

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