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    1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @jaffathecake

      @jaffathecake PE is fundamentally about restricting applications to ones that CAN be written without JS.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    2. joemarini‏ @joemarini 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats @jaffathecake "PE is about restricting applications to ones that CAN be written without JS." No, I'm sorry that is COMPLETELY wrong.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @joemarini

      @joemarini @jaffathecake really? Please, enlighten me.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. joemarini‏ @joemarini 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats @jaffathecake As @scottjehl said, PE means pick a baseline and enhance from there. Baseline could well require JS to begin with.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @joemarini

      @joemarini @jaffathecake @scottjehl so by your definition, a 100% JS app could be called "progressively enhanced"?

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Scott Jehl‏ @scottjehl 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats @joemarini @jaffathecake this would not be my definition, but feel free to tag me out and carry on. :)

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @scottjehl

      @scottjehl @joemarini Just muddying the waters. My argument is that devs who focus on PE miss opportunities to do great things.

      4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Scott Jehl‏ @scottjehl 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats Complex PE takes more effort than JS-only. Between users and developers, only devs have the choice to improve access. It's up to us.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @scottjehl

      @scottjehl more work means fewer features. Also, requiring PE means some things can't be done at all before exhausting complexity budget.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Scott Jehl‏ @scottjehl 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @wycats

      @wycats all fine reasons one may decide that the reach is not worth their time, but that's not a great precedent for others, or a framework.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Sep 2013
      Replying to @scottjehl

      @scottjehl Discourse has broad access, via <noscript> and a day of work. What are you arguing?

      8:36 AM - 5 Sep 2013
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        2. Scott Jehl‏ @scottjehl 5 Sep 2013
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats That's great. Noscript would cover browsers with JS off, but it doesn't help a failed JS request, slow networks, proxy browsers, etc

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Scott Jehl‏ @scottjehl 5 Sep 2013
          Replying to @scottjehl

          @wycats might as well start with that markup unqualified by noscript if it's available and functional anyway is all I mean.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 5 Sep 2013
          Replying to @scottjehl

          @scottjehl Then you need to do the work to wire it up, which is non-trivial with JS-rendered HTML. It will come, just not yet.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Scott Jehl‏ @scottjehl 24 Nov 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats old discussion but I was curious if there’s been any progress on this issue? We’re evaluating options for upcoming work. Thanks!

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 24 Nov 2014
          Replying to @scottjehl

          @scottjehl Which issue exactly?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Scott Jehl‏ @scottjehl 24 Nov 2014
          Replying to @wycats

          @wycats basically, we want to be able to consider Ember for its features, but need to be able to serve HTML for performance & browser compat

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Todd Parker‏ @toddmparker 24 Nov 2014
          Replying to @scottjehl

          @scottjehl @wycats Benchmarking MVC frameworks now, seeing very slow perf for even a trivial todo app on 3G, initial server render helps

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 24 Nov 2014
          Replying to @toddmparker

          Yehuda Katz  🥨 Retweeted Tom Dale

          @toddmparker @scottjehl You may find https://twitter.com/tomdale/status/536220023585787904 … & https://twitter.com/tomdale/status/536222428771659776 … & https://twitter.com/tomdale/status/536223654053691392 … interesting

          Yehuda Katz  🥨 added,

          Tom Dale @tomdale
          If you have a conventionally-structured application, the server should be able to hand-off execution to the client.
          4 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
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