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    1. lorenzo.config.js‏ @Kelset Jul 28

      Heck, even the devs of @discordapp in their latest blog post (https://blog.discordapp.com/why-discord-is-sticking-with-react-native-ccc34be0d427 …) state how this is a "pain point" (#5). --- That said, this thread does not mean I'll stop using my free time helping (or at least trying) to make #reactnative better.

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    2. lorenzo.config.js‏ @Kelset Jul 28

      But I think there is not enough awareness of how non-standard RN is for being an open source project. And I hope that with more awareness comes change. For the better. ✌🏻

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    3. Josh Justice  🛤 🐹 ✌️ ⚛️‏ @CodingItWrong Jul 28
      Replying to @Kelset

      I just heard about a talk by @daveherman and @wycats that describes this. Difference between OSS projects that have 1 community and 2 communities.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrlsXq8gZdM&feature=share …

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    4. Michael Hibay‏ @hibaymj Aug 2
      Replying to @CodingItWrong @wycats and

      Its the difference between open source and open development.

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    5. lorenzo.config.js‏ @Kelset Aug 2
      Replying to @hibaymj @CodingItWrong and

      Not sure I follow. What's the definition of open development?

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    6. Josh Justice  🛤 🐹 ✌️ ⚛️‏ @CodingItWrong Aug 2
      Replying to @Kelset @hibaymj and

      I interpret the phrase to mean that the *source* is available but you don’t get to see/participate in the process, vs. the process itself being open/visible

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    7. lorenzo.config.js‏ @Kelset Aug 2
      Replying to @CodingItWrong @hibaymj and

      Well even with this duality, RN still sits in the grey area in the middle I think 😅 (basically I see those two extremes as no PRs vs you can PR)

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    8. Michael Hibay‏ @hibaymj Aug 2
      Replying to @Kelset @CodingItWrong and

      It’s got nothing to do with PRs and everything to do with why your source is available openly. Open source in this context would only be open to avoid licensing issues, specifically to extract as much value for yourself legally. PRs for them is just extra value they can extract.

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    9. Michael Hibay‏ @hibaymj Aug 2
      Replying to @hibaymj @Kelset and

      Open development is about developing with the community openly and creating value for all to freely use. It takes more effort, and would contribute to the benefit of your competition. The distinction is all about who gets the benefits of the code being open source.

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    10. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Aug 2
      Replying to @hibaymj @Kelset and

      Ironically, I believe creators and maintainers get a lot of value from open development (when done well) in almost all cases, and that most OSS projects that think they're saving time by closing development end up spending more time dealing with the effects of that decision.

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      Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Aug 2
      Replying to @wycats @hibaymj and

      Once you've decided to open up the source and offer any notion of support for that source code (even Android falls into this category), you can significantly cut down on those support costs by enlisting users to help contribute and maintain the software.

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        2. lorenzo.config.js‏ @Kelset Aug 2
          Replying to @wycats @hibaymj and

          Still, after all of this, I find it hard to "label" React Native as one or the other. It still has elements from both descriptions 🤷‍♂️

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        3. lorenzo.config.js‏ @Kelset Aug 2
          Replying to @Kelset @wycats and

          (that said, I haven't watched yet the talk @CodingItWrong linked earlier in this 3d so maybe by listening to it it will be clearer what you mean)

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        4. Michael Hibay‏ @hibaymj Aug 2
          Replying to @Kelset @wycats and

          If there is asymmetric communication, I don’t think it is straddling the definitions. They build it for themselves, let it be used, train engineers before hire, get free contributions to their codebase, all with no additional cost and licensing isolation from competitors.

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        5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats Aug 2
          Replying to @hibaymj @Kelset and

          And yet, the thesis of the talk I gave with @littlecalculist is that they would *still* be better off opening it up, when all costs are accounted for.

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        6. Michael Hibay‏ @hibaymj Aug 2
          Replying to @wycats @Kelset and

          Which I completely agree with, however breaking the coda of the MBA and teaching an understanding of add sum scenarios is an entirely different conversation. Moving that needle is very hard, possible but energy intensive.

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