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    Bret Victor‏ @worrydream 30 Dec 2017
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    Bret Victor Retweeted Stephen Diehl

    As Kay himself has said so many times, this question is entirely about funding. With ARPA/IPTO-style funding, you get Kays (and Engelbarts, Minskys, McCarthys, Corbatós, etc) With VC and NSF, you don't. Even Kay hasn't been able to "be Kay" since the 80s: http://worrydream.com/2017-12-30-alan/ …https://twitter.com/smdiehl/status/946705788734787584 …

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    Stephen Diehl @smdiehl
    Who is the equivalent of Alan Kay of our generation of programmers? Someone who has the grand unifying vision for the domain of computing. 😐
    10:49 AM - 30 Dec 2017
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      2. ciyer‏ @ciyer 30 Dec 2017
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        Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @worrydream

        I agree, I think pinning on just funding seems too reductive. There were people like David Ungar and Randy Smith doing phenomenal, pioneering work on computing environments well into the 90s, but their most revolutionary ideas weren't really picked up.

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      3. Bret Victor‏ @worrydream 30 Dec 2017
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        Alan's point is that that style of funding creates a research culture, and that culture is what's necessary. Self wasn't part of a larger movement in the way that personal computng, time-sharing, AI, and the internet were.

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      2. AndreasS‏ @curious_reader 31 Dec 2017
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        I think Blockchain technology in the broader scope can help solve this problem http://www.red-lang.org/2017/12/leaping-into-future-red-goes-blockchain.html …

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      3. Robert E. P. Levy‏ @rplevy 31 Dec 2017
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        Agreed, we won't score those hipster points we would for waxing nostalgic about Xerox PARC and the heyday of the military-industrial complex, but cryptocurrencies have a built-in economic model that bootstraps an enormous amount of creative activity in that area of development.

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      1. Tara Chklovski‏ @TaraChk 30 Dec 2017
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        Nonprofits from time immemorial have been dealing with this issue of trying to achieve their mission while also learning to survive. Few have the luxury of endowments or “no-strings-attached” donations. A healthy balance can actually spur innovation.

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      1. Alex Kluge‏ @AlexVKluge 31 Dec 2017
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        Replying to @worrydream

        This related discussion on the funding of Fermilab provides a look at the logic and priorities in federal funding debates. If anything that debate is much more focused on the immediate and practical now. http://history.fnal.gov/testimony.html 

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      2. Seph‏ @josephgentle 30 Dec 2017
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        Replying to @Jonathan_Blow @Glench @worrydream

        Yeah you need the right people. Smart people are absolutely necessary (but not sufficient) for great work to be done.

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      1. Joel Chan, #slowthespread, support your neighbors!‏ @JoelChan86 30 Dec 2017
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        100000000000% agree. I'll add one of my favorite pieces of empirical work that demonstrates Kay's argument for the superiority of long-term funding: https://dspace.mit.edu/openaccess-disseminate/1721.1/64640 …

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      1. Patrick  🤝Ellis‏ @pje_txt 30 Dec 2017
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        "Most don't think of the resources in our centuries as actually part of a human-made garden via inventions and cooperation, and that the garden has to be maintained and renewed."

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