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    1. michael_nielsen‏ @michael_nielsen 29 Jul 2018
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      michael_nielsen Retweeted Nadia

      "talent flows toward problems that institutions are willing to pay to solve" Reminds me of Groucho's Law: you should never work on something for which you can get funding. Why? Bc it means it's not adventurous enough. Tonge-in-cheek, but worth pondering regularly, IMO.https://twitter.com/nayafia/status/1022565754925809664 …

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      Nadia @nayafia
      Enjoyed this thread about whether corporate research is "pure" research, though I don't fully agree. To some extent, the market always drives research, bc talent flows towards problems that institutions are willing to pay to solve. Maybe corporate R&D is just more explicit? https://twitter.com/SimonDeDeo/status/1017616703864307712 …
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      Bret Victor‏ @worrydream 30 Jul 2018
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      henri poincaré has things to say @nayafiapic.twitter.com/1G3YjjIpzd

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        2. Nadia‏ @nayafia 30 Jul 2018
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          Yes. My original point (perhaps too subtly made) is that academia is just as suspectible to market forces as industry, so they shouldn't take the moral high ground

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        3. Srini Kadamati‏ @SriniKadamati 30 Jul 2018
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          Perhaps what Bret is saying is that there’s no real necessity that academic research has to have that market pressure. The incentives aren’t really setup for that though (e.g. in the past universities used to fund all of a profs research, now it’s mostly centralized to NSF etc).

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        1. Matt Stephenson‏ @stephensonhmatt 16 Aug 2018
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          (linked from @ErwKuhn) From what I've seen in my research Poincare is often right. There's a kind indirectness to science and tech where working on "useless" number theory eventually produces cryptography/blockchain but working on Theranos produces, well, Theranos.

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        2. Oana Carja‏ @oanacarja 30 Jul 2018
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          I usually use 'There is no applied science if there is no science to apply' (Bernardo Houssay). These are great too, will keep them in mind.

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        3. Disco Beamline‏ @DiscoBeamline 30 Jul 2018
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          Replying to @oanacarja @worrydream

          Another quote from Poincaré, even more current (Sciences et Méthodes, p.9):...

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