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    1. John Ganz‏ @lionel_trolling May 2
      Replying to @DamonLinker @HeerJeet

      the object of terrorism is to use violence to advance your political program, right? so, then all of a sudden, weird crackpot ideas about entitlement to sex are in the most important paper in the country. under a certain view, that's a success, correct?

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    2. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
      Replying to @lionel_trolling @DamonLinker @HeerJeet

      This is what warmongerings racists said to me when, after 9/11, I said that it really is important to understand the basis of the motivating grievance, and to ask whether there's anything to it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    3. Jeet Heer‏Verified account @HeerJeet May 2
      Replying to @willwilkinson @lionel_trolling @DamonLinker

      I agree it's important to understand grievances but in this case I don't think lack of sex is the actual grievance. That's a misunderstanding of incel culture which can be cured by spending a little time reading incels.

      2 replies 0 retweets 22 likes
    4. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
      Replying to @HeerJeet @lionel_trolling @DamonLinker

      And you have nailed the next step in the argument! "Radical islamists just hate freedom and want to destroy us. Asking whether the rise of a rancid ideology is in any way connected to underlying structural causes can't possibly help and guts our resolve to shut down the threat."

      4 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    5. Steven Klein‏ @stevenmklein May 2
      Replying to @willwilkinson @HeerJeet and

      Here's the thing. This hasn't been a debate about how our misogynistic culture produces these sorts of things, places unreasonable expectations on everyone, etc. it's literally just been: these people say they are deprived of sex, maybe we should ensure they have access to sex.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    6. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
      Replying to @stevenmklein @HeerJeet and

      But it totally has been about our misogynistic culture, and that's totally correct. As I see it, the "maybe there's actually a problem with sexual/romantic dissatisfaction" position is mostly driven by a hunch that non-patriarchal sexual morality is macro-unstable.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
      Replying to @willwilkinson @stevenmklein and

      If you've already got that hunch, you see incel terrorism as a datapoint in your favor, and see toxic misogynistic entitlement as a complementary rather than a competing explanation.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. John Ganz‏ @lionel_trolling May 2
      Replying to @willwilkinson @stevenmklein and

      Yeah, but WIll, again here's the tendency to analogize the political to theoretico-scientific practice of some kind. It's not a hunch and a theory, it's a political situation.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. John Ganz‏ @lionel_trolling May 2
      Replying to @lionel_trolling @willwilkinson and

      Douthat, not a liberal by his own admission, can seize on this as benefitting his politics, and has, let's be honest about it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
      Replying to @lionel_trolling @stevenmklein and

      Sure. But what's so wrong about that? Folks who think that, say, capitalism has bad consequences tend to jump on the right sort of bad things happening as partial confirmation. I can't say "actually, you hack, it's caused by something else," without begging the deeper question.

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      Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
      Replying to @willwilkinson @lionel_trolling and

      BTW, I don't think we differ much on the first-order question about the roots of incel terror. We're differing on the meta-debate about whether there's something insidious about people who disagree with our assumptions about the first-order question.

      1:20 PM - 2 May 2018
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        2. Steven Klein‏ @stevenmklein May 2
          Replying to @willwilkinson @lionel_trolling and

          Sure, I think that's largely right. I have a much larger issue with Hanson because of how his argument about redistributing sex implicitly relates to his discussion of the harm of ahem "mild rape." Perhaps unfair to read them together, but he just defended both. He and to a

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Steven Klein‏ @stevenmklein May 2
          Replying to @stevenmklein @willwilkinson and

          a (somewhat) lesser extent Douthat seem completely focused on how all these changes affect men. So it's not just that I have a competing explanation but that I think their explanation fails to account for the perspective of those subject to misogynistic violence

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        4. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
          Replying to @stevenmklein @lionel_trolling and

          I dislike Robin's right-insensitive consequentialist mode of analysis, which amplifies white guy economist blind spots about structural power relations. But he's also among the most intellectually honest, truth-motivated people I've ever met.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. John Ganz‏ @lionel_trolling May 2
          Replying to @willwilkinson @stevenmklein and

          I don't think sincerity is really a great defense for the guy who defended rape.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
          Replying to @lionel_trolling @stevenmklein and

          He simply did not.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
          Replying to @willwilkinson @lionel_trolling and

          Reductively consequentialist modes of analysis can't distinguish kinds of harms (pain is pain!). When rigorously applied, you're always going to ask "Why is X worse than Y?" when X really is worse than Y for non-consequentialist reasons, but have a hard time accepting the reason.

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        8. Steven Klein‏ @stevenmklein May 2
          Replying to @willwilkinson @lionel_trolling and

          Yeah, I mean, I'm also a non-consequentialist so I disagree on that level. What was *ahem* creepy about Hanson's post was a) the idea that it was a puzzle as to why rape was more socially stigmatized than infidelity - not only the assumption that everyone is a consequentalist,

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        9. Will Wilkinson  🌐‏Verified account @willwilkinson May 2
          Replying to @stevenmklein @lionel_trolling and

          Part of the problem is that he's got a reductive account of moral avowal. He thinks that people say things are bad because it makes them look good to say it. And then he's got a sort of Darwinian account of why people want to look good.

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        2. John Ganz‏ @lionel_trolling May 2
          Replying to @willwilkinson @stevenmklein and

          I have no definitive opinion on the roots, I imagine there are a number of plausible explanations. a lot of them sound way too abstract to me. Who knows. My point is that they represent a completely unacceptable political position, and we should be extremely wary of...

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. John Ganz‏ @lionel_trolling May 2
          Replying to @lionel_trolling @willwilkinson and

          ...doing their political work in the guise of a free debate. There are non-negotiable principles involved.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Steven Klein‏ @stevenmklein May 2
          Replying to @lionel_trolling @willwilkinson and

          or, to add, trying to use them to score political points in other other fights (against the sexual revolution or left-wing income redistribution or whatever)

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. John Ganz‏ @lionel_trolling May 2
          Replying to @stevenmklein @willwilkinson and

          well, is it the same fight as them? we should ask that—they both want to reinstutionalize some kind of patriarchical domination, but Douthat offers the consolation of religion...

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Steven Klein‏ @stevenmklein May 2
          Replying to @lionel_trolling @willwilkinson and

          domination with a warm glow

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