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    1. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 24

      i wonder if i can teach our cat to open cans or at least packets of cat food

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    2. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 24

      this cat clearly understands the abstract concept of a game. she doesn't hunt a toy mouse, she plays hide-and-seek with me. doesn't even have to be a mouse, anything she can grab with her mouth works. problem is, she's way too good at it for it to stay entertaining for long

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    3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 24

      i've pretty much exhausted the set of places in this apt where i can hide a mouse. she sees the general direction where it went, plans how to get there, follows the plan, plans again if it didn't work, and uses her sight (i've verified that it's not smell) to locate the mouse

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    4. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 24

      roommate says that i'm playing portal with her, and (a) basically yes (b) i should definitely teach her more abstract concepts like "button" (c) please for the love of god can some VC fund Aperture Science so I don't have to make everything myself #catcognition

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    5. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 24

      my working theory is that intelligence is way more common in animals than what common knowledge says but only the species that have language can keep it in active use for a lifetime. the rest just kind of figure out how to survive and then get stuck in a rut

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    6. Clifford Wolf‏ @oe1cxw Sep 24
      Replying to @whitequark

      I'm very conflicted about this theory. On the one hand my gut feeling tells me that this is true for most reasonable definitions of "intelligence". On the other hand I don't know of even a single definition of "intelligence" that I would call "reasonable" (in non-AI setting).

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    7. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 24
      Replying to @oe1cxw

      by "intelligence" here i mean "rudimentary theory of mind and ability to plan ahead in short term"

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    8. Clifford Wolf‏ @oe1cxw Sep 24
      Replying to @whitequark

      So "rudimentary theory of mind" would be for example the cat hiding things from you, recognizing when you have found the hidden thing, and as a consequence moving it to a new hiding spot? I think your working theory is pretty uncontroversial then.

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      whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 24
      Replying to @oe1cxw

      yes, that definitely counts. the theory is mostly about the "able to keep in active use only if you have language" part

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        2. Clifford Wolf‏ @oe1cxw Sep 24
          Replying to @whitequark

          Ah, I think I got you now. :) Obviously everyone alive is at least as intelligent as neccessary to survive in their environemnt. And language can make an environment pretty complex. So is your point that language is the primary driver for keeping it complex long-term?

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        3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 24
          Replying to @oe1cxw

          that is my conclusion, yes. I can't imagine a way of keeping this cat engaged for 15 years that doesn't involve either a full-time job or Wikipedia

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