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    1. Daniel Scott Matthews‏ @DanielSMatthews Sep 23
      Replying to @whitequark

      If you know how to make anything using piperidine and you have a legitimate reason to do so you'd also know exactly how to start with other natural precursors. The ban only disadvantages people who have just just enough knowledge to be dangerous, which is obviously the point.

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    2. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
      Replying to @DanielSMatthews

      I know exactly how to start from natural precursors but it's honestly an enormous waste of time for something you should be able to trivially get from Sigma or whatever is the non-overpriced supplier these days

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    3. Daniel Scott Matthews‏ @DanielSMatthews Sep 23
      Replying to @whitequark

      Why can't you get it, don't you have a reason to use it that is considered legitimate? After all it is the starting point for a lot of compounds, not just PCP. I think my point still stands about the ban being a good filter for only stopping dangerous fools.

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    4. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
      Replying to @DanielSMatthews

      because precursor laws are stupid. technically, even conc sulfuric is scheduled over here, not that you can *actually* prevent its sale

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    5. Daniel Scott Matthews‏ @DanielSMatthews Sep 23
      Replying to @whitequark

      Again it only acts as a filter to the dangerously stupid, how is that any different from getting a gun or being able to drive a car or fly aircraft or be a Dr.? It is all about filters to reduce the number of fools doing stupid or dangerous things that could harm other people.

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    6. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
      Replying to @DanielSMatthews

      because unlike (say) a driver license it doesn't actually make any sense. NaOH is in some ways more dangerous than H2SO4(conc) but you can get that in any amount. you can buy methylamine by the barrel here without so much as providing ID either. etc

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    7. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
      Replying to @whitequark @DanielSMatthews

      red P? sure. conc H2O2? cheaper by the barrel. hydrazine? as much as you want by mail order. H2SO4 is a no-no though can't have people messing with that

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    8. Daniel Scott Matthews‏ @DanielSMatthews Sep 23
      Replying to @whitequark

      Again that only acts as a filter for dangerously stupid people, you want the others blocked as well? Or all available, what about nuclear materials? So I can run my house electricity generator off a stirling engine using the heat from a big lump of plutonium, and no CO2 produced!

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    9. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
      Replying to @DanielSMatthews

      you're arguing with a strawman

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    10. Daniel Scott Matthews‏ @DanielSMatthews Sep 23
      Replying to @whitequark

      No because I really could do useful stuff with nuclear materials and not that far from where I am there is a lot of thorium etc. Also you can't claim the use of a fallacy without logically demonstrating why it is, otherwise the only proven fallacy is your claim.

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      whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
      Replying to @DanielSMatthews

      you're arguing with a strawman because your analogy implies that the dangers posed by H2SO4(conc) and Pu are comparable, which is so absurd that I fail to see the point of discussing this any further

      11:00 PM - 23 Sep 2018
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        2. Daniel Scott Matthews‏ @DanielSMatthews Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          But you can make H2SO4, if you are smart enough, it only stops the idiots, even if it inconveniences other people. Subcritical and shielded Pu is not dangerous NASA uses it all the time, some people are dangerous. It is about filtering out access for dangerous and stupid people.

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        3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @DanielSMatthews

          this is the least creative attempt at trolling i have seen in months

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        4. Daniel Scott Matthews‏ @DanielSMatthews Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          I am not trolling, most space missions and a lot of satellites use radionuclide generators. Nobody freaks out about that being turned to dust in an launch failure and spread all over the Earth, because they trust the people at NASA to be smart enough to do it safely. Filters!

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        5. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @DanielSMatthews

          Kosmos 954

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        6. Daniel Scott Matthews‏ @DanielSMatthews Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          Russians, not NASA, only the Russians trust the Russians, and look how many times they have taken that risk, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_space … A bit scary that all that junk will eventually fall back to Eath if we don't go out and boost it into the sun or recover it. Filters, certification

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